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Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

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billyiddo said:
^ 3 goal lead at Stamford Bridge :lol: #-o

tbf you (and several others) are glossing massively over the bottling we have experienced the past couple of seasons - it's funny actually - Jol is getting rightly criticized for being bottler but when you suggest the same for Harry you get everyone jumping on your back

did Jol really bottle it more than Harry ?

league cup final v man utd second string
10/11 second half of the season
fa cup semi v portsmouth
11/12 10 point gap
Arsenal 5-2
11/12 Villa Game
out of form Chelsea fa cup semi
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But....

Arsenal 4-4 Tottenham
Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool - when they were unbeaten in all competitions at the time
Tottenham 4-2 Liverpool - a few days later
Tottenham 1-0 Chelsea - their only defeat under Hiddink
Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool
Tottenham 3-0 Emirates Marketing Project
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal
Tottenham 2-1 Chelsea
Emirates Marketing Project 0-1 Tottenham
Tottenham 3-1 Inter
Arsenal 2-3 Tottenham
Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool
AC Milan 0-1 Tottenham
Liverpool 0-2 Tottenham
Tottenham 4-0 Liverpool
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal
Tottenham 5-0 Saudi Sportswashing Machine

Jol's team quite simply never turned it on like that in the big games. Under Jol we were very good at beating weaker teams at home, but that was all. Harry had us winning games against the bigger clubs AND winning games regularly away from home.

Jol did very well to get so close to the top 4, but I did feel we had the 5th best squad in the country in both seasons we came 5th. Clubs of a similar traditionally similar stature, the likes of Aston Villa, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Everton were going through tricky periods back then, and City hadn't even seen any of Thaksin Shinawatra's money, let alone the Sheik's. You had the likes of Blackburn and Bolton who could finish in the top 6 or 7 back then, were those teams any better than say Swansea or Sunderland last season who finished in the bottom half?
 
thfcsteff said:
All fans or just the ones you don't agree with? Genuine question...

As for the whole 'managers' vs 'wages' in relation to Arsenal thing, their wage bill has never been one of the higher-end ones. In fact you appear to claim that the difference between us and Arsenal wasn't the coach. Joey. We never finished above Arsenal with either of those managers. Great men as they were in their own ways and for different reasons (with one decidedly contributing to his own downfall IMO) they never finished above Wenger. Look, I don't want to argue, but this does need to be clarified.
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I doubt it's a genuine question, as I'm sure you are aware that it's not a genuine comment. It's not realistic that fans be banned from discussing tactics, it was clearly an expression of my frustration and the naivety so many fans show. As others have pointed out, there was a huge difference in spending on wages between us and Arsenal, especially when BMJ was in charge. Yet so many of our fans genuinely thought the key to us over taking them was a change in coach. You should look at our PPG in 2005/6 when Ledley played and compare it Arsenals for the season. It's amazing how a coach like Jol suddenly becomes an equal or better of Wenger, when he has his best players fit, despite a seriously average squad in comparison. Do the same for the following season and see how much of a difference it makes.
 
Has to be MJ for me, he started the upward trend of the club ( the three seasons before he came we were 9th 10th and 14th) and he he got us the two 5th place finishes.
 
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ArcspacE said:
I liked Jol the most - think he was released at the wrong time and was 2 good midfielders away from a great side - ironically those arrived a few months too late. Not to mention Bale's untimely injuries at a time we were crying out for left width. He was a great character and someone who was prepared to stand for the club, not his own personal agenda. Still love the man and hope he succeeds at Fulham.

Here I would also like to underline Comolli's contribution to what ultimately became Redknapp's winning hand - lest we forget!

Ramos won us a trophy and as many like to ridicule its 'significance' - it was a great achievement - fitness-wise that was our highlight in recent years - we looked very fit during those months, must be said.

Redknapp simply had everything align itself at the right time - and eventually became somewhat of a threat, imv - but I'm 99.9% sure he'd walk the poll. Those CL wins will remain a highlight for years to come and fans would always take preference, irrespective of actual context at the time. Sadly he never managed to take us beyond the sum of our parts like hopefully AVB would.

Hope you made it a public one - went for Jol.
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Blimey. Agree with every word of that.:eek:
 
joey55 said:
I doubt it's a genuine question, as I'm sure you are aware that it's not a genuine comment. It's not realistic that fans be banned from discussing tactics, it was clearly an expression of my frustration and the naivety so many fans show. As others have pointed out, there was a huge difference in spending on wages between us and Arsenal, especially when BMJ was in charge. Yet so many of our fans genuinely thought the key to us over taking them was a change in coach. You should look at our PPG in 2005/6 when Ledley played and compare it Arsenals for the season. It's amazing how a coach like Jol suddenly becomes an equal or better of Wenger, when he has his best players fit, despite a seriously average squad in comparison. Do the same for the following season and see how much of a difference it makes.
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Glad I asked then because no, in the context you had it, this wasn't clear mate.



BTW, wages paid (just like transfer fees for that matter) do not always mean much, specifically when we're talking about the Spurs-Arsenal area (let's face it, the difference is minimal in PL terms/when put against what City, Utd and Chelski pay)...we could go through the squads over the years and see who has justified their fees/wages, but I fail to see why it's so foolish to ponder whether it came down to the coaches. The truth is you need a good blend of money and coaching/management...
 
Jurgen the German said:
Jol had Keane in his prime
King in his prime and was available for more games
Berbatov
Carrick
An emerging and largely injury free Lennon at that point in his career
Bale- Who Redknapp got the best out of
Kaboul- Once again who Redknapp got the best out of
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He never had Berbatov and Carrick together - yet still managed 5th with the midfield colossi Malbranque, Tainio and Zokora

Redknapp DIDN'T get the best of Bale - he found out his true ability by near luck and couldn't drop him afterwards - he actually almost sent him out on loan to Forest - and only played him because twitter legend BAE was injured and Rose was unvailable / pants. He also started him at LB initially and simply picked up on his earlier from from those initial weeks under Jol - Please don't re-write history now.

Bale (150% Comolli signing) started very well under Jol (that freekick in the NLD, etc.) and got injured - why so many choose to ignore that in favour of Arry The Innocent is beyond me

What about the countless players he alienated?
 
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Jurgen the German said:
We weren't favourites to win any of those 3 games either.

Lets not forget that Jol's teams bottled it in games as frequently as we did last season. We had a 3-1 lead at Chelsea and got pegged back. We conceded lots of late goals in the lasagne season too.
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What about the tactical mastermind extraoirdinaire which saw us embarassed twice at Wembley in the semis - one of them by a nearly bankrupt Championshp side.
 
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Spursalot said:
Redknapp took a team that had a history of bottling it, and continued that history with an array of world class talent.

Whilst Jol took a side more in need and made it work.
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What true world class talent did he bring himself during those 4 years?

He re-signed half of Comolli's players while the other half were there already

He also brought in the PL behemoths Louis Saha, Ryan Nelsen, William Gallas, Peter Crouch and Scott Parker. We all know where VdV came from. (Didn't someone suggest he made a cut on some players being sold from Pompey hence the Crouch, Defoe and Kaboul purchases - not that it matters really)

One of his great signgings (which later turned out be not to so great but contextually appropriate at the time) was Palacios and his contribution to steady the ship. We were NEVER going down that season - simply needed to bring in someone who can motivate the players and do so in English.
 
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Do you have any hint of respect for what Redknapp done in terms of our results, quality of football and increase in profile?
 
VermontSpur said:
And to preempt the inevitable "You just say that because you are one of the anti-Redknapp phalanx" comments...stop. Just don't.
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Sadly, mate that the default automated reply from some and none of the well-structured, reasoneds point presented to the case are read through.
 
No. I don't have time to sit here and read through every single post, which is why I asked the question.
 
I do have respect for that he achieved - but in that post (first page - post no.4) I explained why Jol was my preferred choice.
 
SUIYHA said:
Jol's team quite simply never turned it on like that in the big games. Under Jol we were very good at beating weaker teams at home, but that was all. Harry had us winning games against the bigger clubs AND winning games regularly away from home.
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What about those other vintage games?

Wolves
Hull
Wigan
Stoke
Blackpool
Burnley
WBA
Norwich
 
Jurgen the German said:
I accept that, but what I said is no worse than the anti Redknapp posters who claim he'll end up at QPR or in the Championship because that's "his level". How can it be his level when he's managed a team that finished in the top 4 twice? As for the he hasn't won many trophies arguement, how many managers in English football have done these days? Even David Moyes has won diddly squat at Everton, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a brilliant manager.

Jol had Keane in his prime
King in his prime and was available for more games
Berbatov
Carrick
An emerging and largely injury free Lennon at that point in his career
Bale- Who Redknapp got the best out of
Kaboul- Once again who Redknapp got the best out of
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Heikki Kovalainen.

He once won a Grand Prix in a McLaren, but few people will try to argue that he's any better than average (I'd be surprised if they even tried that). Put him in the fastest car in the world and suddenly he seems like a decent driver.
 
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