Racism in football

[Lost Mango]

f the great Rowan Atkinson, nobody has the right NOT to be offended.

Said in response to a proposal to create a crime of religious hatred rather than a wider point. Atkinson is an 'antithesist' and feels religion is a valid target and shouldn't be a protected characteristic (as it is a choice rather than a predetermination at birth).

He talks about the right to offend as a way of challenging society. That is not the same as saying something to deliberately humiliate or suppress individuals or groups.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I don't see it as any more serious than people having the micky taken out of them because they are ginger, having a big nose, or large feet. I live in a world surrounded by friends who love banter, and given the chance any one of them will take the p155 for what ever reason. Occasionally some of it is offensive, but it's my belief offence is taken and not given, and in the words of the great Rowan Atkinson, nobody has the right NOT to be offended.

Racist remarks should not be made on the playing field, but it's worth noting Vinicious Junior has already made about 20 complaints regarding racism, so perhaps even you may want to think about that one. There are so many bad things going on in the world, perhaps we should put things into perspective and realise a bit of name calling falls into the realms of insignificance. I would be happy to stand in the middle of a football pitch stark naked and allow people to sing what ever they want on the condition I get paid one weeks salary of a top football player, and I suspect you would as well.

You keep repeating the same things and most of it is being an apologist for racism, despite not condoning it.

Everyone can see if for what it is, including your misogyny on other posts.

 

[veryoldspur]

Said in response to a proposal to create a crime of religious hatred rather than a wider point. Atkinson is an 'antithesist' and feels religion is a valid target and shouldn't be a protected characteristic (as it is a choice rather than a predetermination at birth).

He talks about the right to offend as a way of challenging society. That is not the same as saying something to deliberately humiliate or suppress individuals or groups.

One last attempt to drive some common sense into you. Some years ago Scott Parker had his head stamped on by Balotelli and Balotelli got a three match ban, whilst on the very same weekend Suarez made a racist remark to Evri and got a ten match ban. It's now got to a point where stamping on another players head is only 30% as bad as saying hurty words to another player. Surely even in your most woke and politically correct world that is complete nonsense? Do you really believe that Vinicious Junior laid awake the other night next to his gorgeous wife in his 15 bedroom luxury mansion was left crying about being called a monkey (even if that is true) ?????

We have got to a point in the UK where shop lifting has virtually been decriminalised, police don't turn up to house break-ins, and unless you have been hospitalized all your local constabulary will do is give you a crime number, yet call someone a hurty word related to their colour and the blue lights start flashing. It's a bonkers country supported by bonkers people with woke ideals

 

[Lost Mango]

One last attempt to drive some common sense into you. Some years ago Scott Parker had his head stamped on by Balotelli and Balotelli got a three match ban, whilst on the very same weekend Suarez made a racist remark to Evri and got a ten match ban. It's now got to a point where stamping on another players head is only 30% as bad as saying hurty words to another player. Surely even in your most woke and politically correct world that is complete nonsense? Do you really believe that Vinicious Junior laid awake the other night next to his gorgeous wife in his 15 bedroom luxury mansion was left crying about being called a monkey (even if that is true) ?????

We have got to a point in the UK where shop lifting has virtually been decriminalised, police don't turn up to house break-ins, and unless you have been hospitalized all your local constabulary will do is give you a crime number, yet call someone a hurty word related to their colour and the blue lights start flashing. It's a bonkers country supported by bonkers people with woke ideals

So change the rules in football for how many games stamping on someone's head incurs. The laws are outdated and out of sync, agreed.

Sure Vinicious didn't lie awake after the Benfica game but that doesn't mean that what was allegedly said was acceptable. Does crime only have value if someone is hurt or upset?

Your stats on police responses come from Advance UK I'd imagine. Over 80% of break ins are attended and whilst a large percentage don't get solved I'd suggest a lot of that is down to resources available to the police rather than them focusing on 'hurty' words (as you passive aggressively dismiss it).

But I'm sure you will continue to rant into the darkness about 'woke-ism' and 'lefty idealism' rather than have any desire to treat anyone and everyone fairly and equitably if it somehow impacts ever so slightly on your sunny upland existence. Good for you, Grandpa. Have a restful sleep.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I don't think @veryoldspur is primarily a racist. He's primarily a fool.

 

[Rafa87]

Sometimes I wonder how some of the nasty things in this world still exist, then I pop on here and see someone referring to racism as “insignificant hurty words” and realise we’ve got a fair old way to go.

 

[scaramanga]

What part of the video am I watching? It's 21 mins long. However, the comparison of what black people have suffered historically and what ginger people have "suffered" is disingenuous to say the least.

On your last sentence, the point is that it is wrong to like or dislike an entire group because of what they are.

Let's not forget that black people are discriminated against because of prejudice.

Gingers are discriminated against because they're evil, soul-stealing stains on the gene pool.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I think some people don't understand how hurtful and frightening it can be unless it happens to them. I'll never forget the fear and shame I felt in the 50's when I was out with my mixed race cousin and people called out at us, it made his young life a misery, how people can be so cruel is beyond me.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Keyboard warriors. Faceless cowards. They don't talk smack in real life.

 

[thfcsteff]

Racism is an opinion, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Racialism is an action, and should be condemned. Watch the video above and he makes a comparison with ginger people, what's the difference?

If I were to generalise I would say I quite like Indian Hindus, but dislike Pakistani Muslims, is that racist, and if so why am I not entitled to an opinion?

You are ABSOLUTELY entitled to that opinion, of course.
Equally, people are entitled to view your opinion as steeped in huge swathes of indignant ignorance, fear, and (errr) 'tribally-driven-prejudice'...

 

[veryoldspur]

I think some people don't understand how hurtful and frightening it can be unless it happens to them. I'll never forget the fear and shame I felt in the 50's when I was out with my mixed race cousin and people called out at us, it made his young life a misery, how people can be so cruel is beyond me.

You said it, the 50s

 

[veryoldspur]

You are ABSOLUTELY entitled to that opinion, of course.
Equally, people are entitled to view your opinion as steeped in huge swathes of indignant ignorance, fear, and (errr) 'tribally-driven-prejudice'...

It's not indignant ignorance, it's an opinion gained through experience. In your world and the world of the woke people should ignore those experiences in order they can fit in with a narrative.

I refer you back to my original comments, I do not condone racism, I simply believe it's all been taken to far and isn't the massive crime it's being portrayed as. At present I am far more concerned with the massive amount of antisemitism that is allowed to continue. This is genuine and dangerous hatred rather than a bit of banter. This disgusting government isn't just allowing it to happen, but because the majority of the perpetrators come from a community they consider their voters they are encouraging it through their lack of action. The Nazis in a different form are raising their head, whilst thousands of flag waving fools sing "From The River To The Sea"

 

[tommysvr]

So if the vast majority of knife crime in London is committed by young black men then the police should carry out as many searches on white young men, Asian young men, and Oriental young men in order we can tick yet another box. It's crazy woke policies like that that are destroying this country and costing us a fortune.

The so called discrimination you refer to in Japan hasn't changed, as it hasn't in South Korea. People from outside the country can indeed work there and even live there, however it is almost impossible to progress. As a result they have managed to maintain a mono culture, and research indicates the happiest people in the world live in mono cultures. These facts may well upset you, but they are facts.

Going back to the thread, I don't condone racism, and certainly don't condone racialism, but I'm pretty fed up with a minority of people in society who believe it is the most heinous of crimes, when in reality we probably live in one of the least racist countries on the planet.

The world is not a great big melting pot, it never has been and it never will be. If we stopped all this stupid legislation and woke box ticking then perhaps people from different ethnicities and cultures would make more of an effort to integrate rather than to rely on laws formed by politicians who never actually live in the areas that create resentment amongst the indigenous population. Such statements may not please the left idealism, but reality rarely does

What the fudge would you know about living in Japan?

 

[treepits]

It's not indignant ignorance, it's an opinion gained through experience. In your world and the world of the woke people should ignore those experiences in order they can fit in with a narrative.

I refer you back to my original comments, I do not condone racism, I simply believe it's all been taken to far and isn't the massive crime it's being portrayed as. At present I am far more concerned with the massive amount of antisemitism that is allowed to continue. This is genuine and dangerous hatred rather than a bit of banter. This disgusting government isn't just allowing it to happen, but because the majority of the perpetrators come from a community they consider their voters they are encouraging it through their lack of action. The Nazis in a different form are raising their head, whilst thousands of flag waving fools sing "From The River To The Sea"

So racism against Jews - bad. Racism against black people - banter. Maybe that’s not what you meant but that’s how your statement comes across

 

[tommysvr]

I think some people don't understand how hurtful and frightening it can be unless it happens to them. I'll never forget the fear and shame I felt in the 50's when I was out with my mixed race cousin and people called out at us, it made his young life a misery, how people can be so cruel is beyond me.

The idea that your very existence is threatened by your skin colour would be terrifying. Your potential for employment, to gain housing, friends, be safe in the street...all of that. I can't imagine dealing with that from birth. That would be terrifying.

And then seeing the world talk on end about ending racism and then went it happens you see any reasonable response get caught up in politics and other nonsense. That would be depressing.

 

[veryoldspur]

What the fudge would you know about living in Japan?

My daughter in law lived in Japan and Korea for a number of years, and we have had several conversations on the subject. My best friend also lived in Japan with his partner for a few years, and again we have had several conversations on it. Japan have a mono culture, as you probably know, therefore being fully accepted is very difficult

 

[veryoldspur]

The idea that your very existence is threatened by your skin colour would be terrifying. Your potential for employment, to gain housing, friends, be safe in the street...all of that. I can't imagine dealing with that from birth. That would be terrifying.

And then seeing the world talk on end about ending racism and then went it happens you see any reasonable response get caught up in politics and other nonsense. That would be depressing.

Did you right that post 50 years ago? The most unsafe places in the country are areas heavily occupied by people of colour, so in one respect you are right. Being a white person can be very unsafe

 

[tommysvr]

My daughter in law lived in Japan and Korea for a number of years, and we have had several conversations on the subject. My best friend also lived in Japan with his partner for a few years, and again we have had several conversations on it. Japan have a mono culture, as you probably know, therefore being fully accepted is very difficult

You’re right, it can be very difficult. I’ve experienced racism living here as a white person. It’s a common experience here when renting a place for the real estate to phone up the owner to check if they allow foreigners.

I don’t see how that helps your points at all.

 

[DeanoAustin]

It's not indignant ignorance, it's an opinion gained through experience. In your world and the world of the woke people should ignore those experiences in order they can fit in with a narrative.

I refer you back to my original comments, I do not condone racism, I simply believe it's all been taken to far and isn't the massive crime it's being portrayed as. At present I am far more concerned with the massive amount of antisemitism that is allowed to continue. This is genuine and dangerous hatred rather than a bit of banter. This disgusting government isn't just allowing it to happen, but because the majority of the perpetrators come from a community they consider their voters they are encouraging it through their lack of action. The Nazis in a different form are raising their head, whilst thousands of flag waving fools sing "From The River To The Sea"

Right, I’m out. You’re saying antisemitism is dangerous hatred but calling a black person a monkey is “a bit of banter”.

You know what, fundamentally I couldn’t disagree with you more but I think there were germs of decent points in some of your posts. However, that sort of thing completely undermines any bit of credibility you have.

 

[veryoldspur]

Right, I’m out. You’re saying antisemitism is dangerous hatred but calling a black person a monkey is “a bit of banter”.

You know what, fundamentally I couldn’t disagree with you more but I think there were germs of decent points in some of your posts. However, that sort of thing completely undermines any bit of credibility you have.

Calling a black person a monkey is hardly the same as killing Jews at synagogue or singing from the river to the sea. There is very little racism against black people in this country, regrettably we are seeing more and more antisemitism, largely fuelled by a weak government as well as white middle class students and Muslims. Once more, I don't condone racism directed at black people, but in the grand scheme of things it falls into the realms of insignificance. As you well know we are a Jewish football club, and have been for many years, I fear the day there is an atrocity at our stadium, and all people like you will do is stand up for the perpetrators because they aren't white