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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Good analysis highlighting improvements to angeball when teams sit deep using the Liverpool game for context.


As others have highlighted it could be that Ange is trying to bed down the main routine before introducing others.
 
metalgear said:
As others have highlighted it could be that Ange is trying to bed down the main routine before introducing others.
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This is the question

- Did we simply fail to adapt?
- Is a team of Pool's quality with VVD & Allison sitting in two deep banks something that gets broken? (I think people are so accustomed to lesser quality teams playing that way, that breakdown is inevitable)
- Is our style to adapt or more a "Pep" keep doing the same thing until you exhaust the opponent into a mistake
 
Raziel said:
This is the question

- Did we simply fail to adapt?
- Is a team of Pool's quality with VVD & Allison sitting in two deep banks something that gets broken? (I think people are so accustomed to lesser quality teams playing that way, that breakdown is inevitable)
- Is our style to adapt or more a "Pep" keep doing the same thing until you exhaust the opponent into a mistake
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The latter
Teams don’t just change even when a team loses a player
Losing 2 means they get even more defensive and block more and more space
They played 1-5-3 with no one attempting to attack
That hard for anyone to break down including city
It’s why OGs become and opportunity as crowded areas aren’t always safe for defenders
Of your looking for a worldie strike
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The latter
Teams don’t just change even when a team loses a player
Losing 2 means they get even more defensive and block more and more space
They played 1-5-3 with no one attempting to attack
That hard for anyone to break down including city
It’s why OGs become and opportunity as crowded areas aren’t always safe for defenders
Of your looking for a worldie strike
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Exactly this, there is also a massive risk that you make wholesale changes which give the opposition a better chance. I think we played Saturday really well bar tempo at times.
 
The deflected own goal came from porro overlapping and kulu moving out to draw defenders away.

I don't recall this move any other time during the match. It was kulu to the byline and staying around the area mostly.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Exactly this, there is also a massive risk that you make wholesale changes which give the opposition a better chance. I think we played Saturday really well bar tempo at times.
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I don't think you need to make wholesale changes to improve. Just having different tactics aside from crossing from the byline.

E.g. a cross to the far post when playing the ball backwards and defenders are moving forwards, or lining up a shot across outside the penalty box when defenders are at their deepest.
 
metalgear said:
I don't think you need to make wholesale changes to improve. Just having different tactics aside from crossing from the byline.

E.g. a cross to the far post when playing the ball backwards and defenders are moving forwards, or lining up a shot across outside the penalty box when defenders are at their deepest.
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As I understand it, the winning goal was the plan intimated from the start, its what we work on the most, you get deep and you get the ball across, if as proven its the most dangerous tactic why not stick to it?

Not being able to pull something off is different to it being the wrong tactic IMO
 
Grays_1890 said:
As I understand it, the winning goal was the plan intimated from the start, its what we work on the most, you get deep and you get the ball across, if as proven its the most dangerous tactic why not stick to it?

Not being able to pull something off is different to it being the wrong tactic IMO
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For the winning goal Porro went outside and in behind. I can't remember that happening much at all in the 20 minutes preceding the goal.

It's not usually his role in this setup. Kulusevski is usually the widest and most advanced player down that side.

I think what people are asking for is more of that, more adjustment like that in some circumstances. Where players break a bit from their usual roles in this system when the circumstances are right for it.

Just to be clear, as I has been before. I don't mean that as a criticism of Ange or the players. I think of it as one of the next steps. Completely understandable that we're not yet at that step, rather shocking that we're at the level where that's part of the next step.
 
braineclipse said:
For the winning goal Porro went outside and in behind. I can't remember that happening much at all in the 20 minutes preceding the goal.

It's not usually his role in this setup. Kulusevski is usually the widest and most advanced player down that side.

I think what people are asking for is more of that, more adjustment like that in some circumstances. Where players break a bit from their usual roles in this system when the circumstances are right for it.

Just to be clear, as I has been before. I don't mean that as a criticism of Ange or the players. I think of it as one of the next steps. Completely understandable that we're not yet at that step, rather shocking that we're at the level where that's part of the next step.
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I think thats probably more the player learning the role as Udogie does it alot or has done at least.
 
Yiddo said:
Legohead will get it 100%
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Given that his youthful and young arsenal side are so young then perhaps he should get it as managing such young and youthful players who are so young is a real feat. And he is practically a baby himself in terms of how young he is.
 
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