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Hugo Lloris

DubSpur said:
He doesn't keep us in every game. Check the stats and you'll see that since Conte came in we've kept the opposition to lower quality chances than any other team.
As I said he pulls out the odd world class save, but the downside out weights that. In the modern game keepers need to be decent with their feet, he is shocking.
He plays us into trouble too often when we play out from the back. He's week on crosses as well.
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He literally pulls of top saves in ever game, has done it countless times already this season, end of last season he was unreal.

When was his last clear clanger that weighs more in favour of the negatives in your opinion? I can think of one from last season, so thats one a season at the moment.

Allison has had more than that in his start to the season and is considered on of the best in the world.
 
Lloris is a is/has been a top keeper ( third best i have seen in our shirt after Jennings and Clemence), but as other have said he is poor with his feet and the game has moved on to where the best keepers feel confident and have the talent to play the ball around, and he looks clumsy at best doing that.
 
Grays_1890 said:
He literally pulls of top saves in ever game, has done it countless times already this season, end of last season he was unreal.

When was his last clear clanger that weighs more in favour of the negatives in your opinion? I can think of one from last season, so thats one a season at the moment.

Allison has had more than that in his start to the season and is considered on of the best in the world.
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Between 2017/18 and end of 2021/22 season he's made mistakes leading to ten goals, second worst in the league.

It's not just his clangers, he doesn't command his area and is poor on crosses, his distribution is terrible and more often than not puts us on the back foot rather than helping us progress and he is no longer quick coming off his line to cut things out, although that is partly due to us playing deeper. He is far below the top keepers in every category besides shot stopping. We can get someone close to his ability as a shot stopper but is better in the other categories and it will be an upgrade.
 
DubSpur said:
Between 2017/18 and end of 2021/22 season he's made mistakes leading to ten goals, second worst in the league.
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That article backs my point, 2 more clangers than leagues best who won the league in that time and 4 more than City's GK who plays for a more superior side and is considered better. Makes for much more even reading that you would probably admit TBH.

As I've said his shots per season save more points than any keeper and was reported on Sky again recently. Over 10 years it's HUGELY higher than anyone else. He makes mistakes, your article proves every keeper does, he isn't as bad as you make out and as I said earlier someone has to go back a season to find the last memorable clanger not bad for someone that supposedly makes.

He is still one of the leagues elite keepers, we won't agree and that's fine, so I will leave it at that note
 
Grays_1890 said:
That article backs my point, 2 more clangers than leagues best who won the league in that time and 4 more than City's GK who plays for a more superior side and is considered better. Makes for much more even reading that you would probably admit TBH.

As I've said his shots per season save more points than any keeper and was reported on Sky again recently. Over 10 years it's HUGELY higher than anyone else. He makes mistakes, your article proves every keeper does, he isn't as bad as you make out and as I said earlier someone has to go back a season to find the last memorable clanger not bad for someone that supposedly makes.

He is still one of the leagues elite keepers, we won't agree and that's fine, so I will leave it at that note
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You focus on only one thing that makes an elite keeper, his shot stopping. I've said that is the one part of his game that is up there.
The rest of his game is poor, which you seem to be willfully ignoring to suit your argument.

He's not one of the leagues elite keepers any more. You're right, we won't agree ;)
 
DubSpur said:
You focus on only one thing that makes an elite keeper, his shot stopping. I've said that is the one part of his game that is up there.
The rest of his game is poor, which you seem to be willfully ignoring to suit your argument.

He's not one of the leagues elite keepers any more. You're right, we won't agree ;)
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I'm not ignoring it but distribution isn't as big a factor to a GKs success as people or you make out. Yeh it's desirable but it's nowhere near the top of what makes a too level keeper, I've watched enough of Pickford for England to realise its far from important unlike actually being a great GK which Lloris undoubtedly is
 
I feel he often saves his worst performances or mistakes for the big games. He’s dropped clangers against Arsenal before, home and away. Made two massive howlers against Emirates Marketing Project away a few years ago. Been a great servant for the club but wouldn’t do us any harm to start looking for a replacement IMO.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I'm not ignoring it but distribution isn't as big a factor to a GKs success as people or you make out. Yeh it's desirable but it's nowhere near the top of what makes a too level keeper, I've watched enough of Pickford for England to realise its far from important unlike actually being a great GK which Lloris undoubtedly is
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Depends on style of play of the team.

If the manager wants to play a style that includes playing out through pressure it's rather important. And that's why top clubs that want to play like that sign almost exclusively goalkeepers that are good on the ball.

That on it's own will never be enough, no doubt. But when separating the best, playing at the most successful clubs, from those a level below it's clearly important. To be a top goalkeeper you need to be good to great at multiple aspects of the game including what you do on the ball. Often that is exactly what separates the good from the great.

And imo why Lloris has been with us for a decade now despite being one of the best shot stoppers around. Most clubs bigger and more successful clubs than us won't go for a goalkeeper with relatively poor distribution.
 
braineclipse said:
And imo why Lloris has been with us for a decade now despite being one of the best shot stoppers around. Most clubs bigger and more successful clubs than us won't go for a goalkeeper with relatively poor distribution.
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No but all have gone through tons with great distribution and then dumped them because they were utterly jank keepers. Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Liverpool all went through ALOT of keepers who were so called ballers
 
Jurgen the German said:
I feel he often saves his worst performances or mistakes for the big games. He’s dropped clangers against Arsenal before, home and away. Made two massive howlers against Emirates Marketing Project away a few years ago. Been a great servant for the club but wouldn’t do us any harm to start looking for a replacement IMO.
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I suspect that this summer will be the time we bring in a replacement, maybe January if they're young and Conte/Paratici want to give him time to bed in.
 
Grays_1890 said:
No but all have gone through tons with great distribution and then dumped them because they were utterly jank keepers. Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Liverpool all went through ALOT of keepers who were so called ballers
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Of course. If a keeper isn't a good enough shot stopper, error prone or have other issues they're not going to be a top class keeper.

I'm just saying that I think the same is true with on the ball ability, in some teams at least, to some extent at least.

I don't think anyone is saying that being good on the ball is in itself enough. Necessary, but not sufficient.
 
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