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ricky2tricky4city said:
D'you mean ..turning them back at sea?
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Yes I do.

Because when you start doing this and people realise that they will get sent back these dangerous crossings well stop being undertaken and then people will stop being vulnerable to people traffickers.

But for whatever reasons 5he liberals in this country want this cruel practice to continue. It is almost like the is money in an industry looking after genuine and failed asylum seekers and money in bringing their cases and appeals and appeals of the appeals.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Yes I do.

Because when you start doing this and people realise that they will get sent back these dangerous crossings well stop being undertaken and then people will stop being vulnerable to people traffickers.

But for whatever reasons 5he liberals in this country want this cruel practice to continue. It is almost like the is money in an industry looking after genuine and failed asylum seekers and money in bringing their cases and appeals and appeals of the appeals.
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My point was, asylum seekers that get turned back at sea are just as likely to drown as asylum seekers that make it to our coast. Once they're in the sea, it's pot luck.
 
scaramanga said:
The more that make it across, the more others are encouraged to do so.

If all those who survive end up on the French side, there's less incentive to try.
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Why do they try? We get told every day how horrible the uk is and how great the eu is, so why risk their lives coming?

(Not specifically directed at you scara, just quoted you because you mention it).
 
Lilbaz said:
Why do they try? We get told every day how horrible the uk is and how great the eu is, so why risk their lives coming?

(Not specifically directed at you scara, just quoted you because you mention it).
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That's why I'm not inclined to help them (the lack of difference, not the desperate bleating of remainders).

If they were in Afghanistan and wanted somewhere safe to live, we should be helping. But they're not, they're in France - a country with a handful of cities that are perfectly acceptable for people to live in.
 
How would you turn people back at sea? You are ultimately suggesting killing those people.

We should be ensuring they arrive in one piece and shaming France/EU every single day for permitting this to happen.

It’s an extremely hostile act on their part.
 
johnola said:
How would you turn people back at sea? You are ultimately suggesting killing those people.

We should be ensuring they arrive in one piece and shaming France/EU every single day for permitting this to happen.

It’s an extremely hostile act on their part.
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I'd prefer we joined up with denmark and share their refugee camp in rwanda. Anyoneentering the country illegally sent there to be processed. Would stop people coming across the channel.
 
johnola said:
How would you turn people back at sea? You are ultimately suggesting killing those people.

We should be ensuring they arrive in one piece and shaming France/EU every single day for permitting this to happen.

It’s an extremely hostile act on their part.
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Big ships with big guns.
 
Lilbaz said:
I'd prefer we joined up with denmark and share their refugee camp in rwanda. Anyoneentering the country illegally sent there to be processed. Would stop people coming across the channel.
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What do you mean, ‘Processed’?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
My point was, asylum seekers that get turned back at sea are just as likely to drown as asylum seekers that make it to our coast. Once they're in the sea, it's pot luck.
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My point is if they get towed back to shore they would not drown and secondly it would then act as a deterrent to stop more people risking their lives.

Probably best to do nothing and allow the whole thing continue so even more people risk their lives, eh.
 
scaramanga said:
The more that make it across, the more others are encouraged to do so.

If all those who survive end up on the French side, there's less incentive to try.
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It is so obvious.

I honestly feel the is blood on the hands of the people who support illegal crossings. But I guess they can feel good about themselves as they can make political points.
 
johnola said:
Why do it at sea? If you are going to kill these people why not round them up after that have landed, line them up against the white cliffs and then you can shoot them with whatever floats your boat.
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Because taking life's for illegally entering the country is not justified. You taking to extreme to try and shame people whose views you disagree with makes you look rather childish. The more and more people who make these crossings the more people that will die.

When Australia started sending back boats the illegal entries into Australia went down, less people lost their lives.

It is almost as if people have some reason to want it to continue. Odd because most of the people who are pro it are the sort who would describe themselves as "caring"
 
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