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Harry Kane MBE

parklane1 said:
Not saying it does not, but next time we see a player do the same to one of our players should i expect our fans not to bitch about it? Because i just do not see that happening.
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Can you remember our fans bitching about it?

It happened to Dier a couple of times on Sunday, I have no idea who he jumped over though.
 
Baleforce said:
Can you remember our fans bitching about it?

It happened to Dier a couple of times on Sunday, I have no idea who he jumped over though.
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As i say we will have to agree to disagree, all fans bitch about our players being fouled ( even when they have not been) it is what fans do.
 
parklane1 said:
As i say we will have to agree to disagree, all fans bitch about our players being fouled ( even when they have not been) it is what fans do.
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When was the last time we did that? I agree with @Baleforce that it is a common occurrence and I cannot remember us ever complaining about it.

Let's be honest here. This focusing on Kane is being done by Liverpool fans (and more recently Arsenal) to try and gain a competitive advantage.
 
milo said:
When was the last time we did that? I agree with @Baleforce that it is a common occurrence and I cannot remember us ever complaining about it.

Let's be honest here. This focusing on Kane is being done by Liverpool fans (and more recently Arsenal) to try and gain a competitive advantage.
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The bolded bit i agree 100% with. As for the first one have you never heard our fans scream for fouls that have not been given ( or perceived fouls). I am not talking about any particular type of foul either.
 
milo said:
I've seen the video before. He does look over his shoulder. Those incident look different from a different camera angle because you get a better view of Kane's path prior to contact.

In all of those incidents Kane is fouled by the jumping player. If it is dangerous, the rules need to change. It would be interesting to see what the effect of a rule change would have on headers in the box.
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Not quite made my mind up on these yet, seen some of the controversy, but only a fraction I'm sure.

On the looking over his shoulder bit I'm quite happy that he does that. Some of the most dangerous situations (imo) arise when two players from the same team end up in the same duel because they're not expecting the duel/impact.

Not looking over your shoulder seems like a great way to get yourself or the other player injured. Can't expect players to challenge for headers without making sure where other players are.
 
braineclipse said:
Not quite made my mind up on these yet, seen some of the controversy, but only a fraction I'm sure.

On the looking over his shoulder bit I'm quite happy that he does that. Some of the most dangerous situations (imo) arise when two players from the same team end up in the same duel because they're not expecting the duel/impact.

Not looking over your shoulder seems like a great way to get yourself or the other player injured. Can't expect players to challenge for headers without making sure where other players are.
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The point is though that he's looking over his shoulder to make sure he's going to draw the contact and foul. If he was looking to challenge for the ball then looking over his shoulder would be sensible but it would also assume he's making an honest attempt to challenge which he isn't. Look at the West Ham one as an example. He's going down and protecting himself before he even feels any contact.

It's poor form for my money and I completely understand why other fans are tinkled. If anyone can show me three similar incidents from another player particularly in such a short space of time, I'd be interested to see them.
 
DeanoAustin said:
The point is though that he's looking over his shoulder to make sure he's going to draw the contact and foul. If he was looking to challenge for the ball then looking over his shoulder would be sensible but it would also assume he's making an honest attempt to challenge which he isn't. Look at the West Ham one as an example. He's going down and protecting himself before he even feels any contact.

It's poor form for my money and I completely understand why other fans are tinkled. If anyone can show me three similar incidents from another player particularly in such a short space of time, I'd be interested to see them.
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If one player jumps, everyone has to jump or get out if the way doesn't sound very workable. Kane is not changing direction to draw contact, he is continuing to move as he was before he looks.
 
milo said:
If one player jumps, everyone has to jump or get out if the way doesn't sound very workable. Kane is not changing direction to draw contact, he is continuing to move as he was before he looks.
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We both know what he's trying to do milo - it's not an honest attempt to play the ball, he's looking for contact and a free kick. It's as dishonest as diving but far more dangerous. If this is how it works, it could make goalkeepers coming to claim the ball very interesting too.
 
DeanoAustin said:
The point is though that he's looking over his shoulder to make sure he's going to draw the contact and foul. If he was looking to challenge for the ball then looking over his shoulder would be sensible but it would also assume he's making an honest attempt to challenge which he isn't. Look at the West Ham one as an example. He's going down and protecting himself before he even feels any contact.

It's poor form for my money and I completely understand why other fans are tinkled. If anyone can show me three similar incidents from another player particularly in such a short space of time, I'd be interested to see them.
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Challenging for the ball means jumping in this case?

I can see that this kind of situation can be difficult. I also see it as him positioning himself so that he can get to the ball without jumping. Flying into a header against a player that can control the ball without jumping, going through that player in the process seems dangerous too...
 
DeanoAustin said:
It’s dangerous. A player could end up with a broken neck falling like that. Harry’s not being malicious or trying to cause injury - he’s just trying to buy a foul. But it’s dangerous. Players are running and jumping for headers, he’s getting in their way to draw contact and it’s throwing them dangerously off balance.
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Any contact has an element of danger in it particularly at the speed players move now. I hope all our players get in the way of opponents trying to get the ball.
 
milo said:
He does know what he is doing. He is drawing the foul and I agree that someone could get injured as a result.

It looks worse from some angles than others. The better angles tend to show him already moving in the direction before the opposition player jumps. They are jumping across his path to beat him to the ball. He isn't obliged to get out of their way.
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Neither, importantly, is he obliged to jump in order to contest the ball.

He is in position waiting for the ball. If other players want to take that space from him then any potential injury or free kick is at their risk.
 
braineclipse said:
Challenging for the ball means jumping in this case?

I can see that this kind of situation can be difficult. I also see it as him positioning himself so that he can get to the ball without jumping. Flying into a header against a player that can control the ball without jumping, going through that player in the process seems dangerous too...
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For me it does. The guy jumping for the header is making an attempt to play the ball and if the opposing player decides to just stand there, the fella going for the header is going to win it every time. So Kane's is not an honest attempt to play the ball because he's giving himself absolutely no chance to win it.

Instead, what Kane is doing, and you can clearly see it on the West Ham one, is taking a look at where the other player is and positioning himself so he'll be hit. He's even protecting himself and going down before he feels the contact. It's poor form which is fair enough because so may players are dishonest. The difference here is that it's dangerous.
 
DeanoAustin said:
For me it does. The guy jumping for the header is making an attempt to play the ball and if the opposing player decides to just stand there, the fella going for the header is going to win it every time. So Kane's is not an honest attempt to play the ball because he's giving himself absolutely no chance to win it.

Instead, what Kane is doing, and you can clearly see it on the West Ham one, is taking a look at where the other player is and positioning himself so he'll be hit. He's even protecting himself and going down before he feels the contact. It's poor form which is fair enough because so may players are dishonest. The difference here is that it's dangerous.
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so why don't defenders stop challenging in the air?
 
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