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Mikey10 said:
That’s the attitude that fudges up the health service and means it won’t be able to cope.

Plenty of people who get this virus who aren’t ‘high risk’ will need hospital treatment to get over it. Once the hospitals are full of those people then the ‘high risk’ people can’t get the help they need and people die.

See Italy for evidence.
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the same risk those people take being out, again their personal risk
 
elltrev said:
As long as you’d all be happy not to receive NHS treatment if you did get the virus.

(Though even then, it’s not just your health - you’re also increasing the likelihood of others getting it when just nipping out to the shop for essentials).
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Or speeding up their immunity. One man's terrorist and all that.
 
El Guepardo said:
There are so many selfish attitudes from a lot of people who only care for their own health and not that of others. Ok, so you don’t care if you get sick, or not, as it’s your own choice.

That would be all well and good if the first day you were contagious was the first day that you were extremely unwell and so stayed at home and didn’t risk spreading the illness.

As it is, you can carry the virus around with you, passing it to many others around you and forcing the vulnerable to stay indoors as the virus is kept alive. Should the vulnerable stay indoors for good now to allow everyone else the freedom to do what they want without any care for how it affects others?

One doctor said to act as if you have the virus, even if you don’t, so as to take actions to prevent its spread. Yes, I understand it’s frustrating not to ‘live your life’ but that’s going to be for a far shorter period of inconvenience if people comply with the measures in place, rather than if they don’t.
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If those of us running businesses just hide under the bed then the country is in for generations of pain. Probably more harm done in total than allowing the virus to spread.

Look what happened last time the country shut down like that - we ended up with the fudging NHS. If that hadn't happened we might in a better position like Germany is.
 
anyone have any facts around impact on asthmatics?

Listed on NHS as being at “severe risk” and classed as the infamous “underlying condition” - but that seems a bit extreme for what I class as usually a claggy throat only and never an actual ‘attack’. I don’t even use the preventer as it makes no difference to my ‘flow’.

Although I am a tad concerned I have had a propensity to suffer from chest infections and pneumonia’s when I get severe colds, probably as a result of asthma. and Covid seems to be a bit of a bitch when it comes to breathing...

I get what @scaramanga says about getting the immunity in quick, but I’m 50/50 if that might be a bad move for me!! Arghhhh, decisions!
 
scaramanga said:
My health is my risk and that's one I'm willing to take, rather than stopping life for some unspecified stretch of time.

Most people I've met are of a similar opinion but then there's probably some selection bias there as the others are probably hiding under their beds.
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Again, I agree on that part.
However, your health, or the lack of looking after it, has implications beyond just you - surely there isn't a Rimmer charisma sized part of you that thinks just for a change that you need to change the approach for just a small time?
 
elltrev said:
I mean vulnerable people, directly or indirectly (as they need to get food one way or another).
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It wouldn't be too hard to set up shopping hours for those at risk - some of the supermarkets have already done that for the oldies.
 
Trixster said:
Again, I agree on that part.
However, your health, or the lack of looking after it, has implications beyond just you - surely there isn't a Rimmer charisma sized part of you that thinks just for a change that you need to change the approach for just a small time?
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It can't be for a small time - that's the issue with this approach.

Once we've closed off the herd immunity option then it's lock down (and the progression pretty much everywhere is that it gets more severe soon) until a vaccine turns up. That could easily be 18 months or even more away. If we all just shut the door until then, not only will that have life changing immediate effects for large parts of the country, it will ruin the country for generations.
 
Jon said:
anyone have any facts around impact on asthmatics?

Listed on NHS as being at “severe risk” and classed as the infamous “underlying condition” - but that seems a bit extreme for what I class as usually a claggy throat only and never an actual ‘attack’. I don’t even use the preventer as it makes no difference to my ‘flow’.

Although I am a tad concerned I have had a propensity to suffer from chest infections and pneumonia’s when I get severe colds, probably as a result of asthma. and Covid seems to be a bit of a bitch when it comes to breathing...

I get what @scaramanga says about getting the immunity in quick, but I’m 50/50 if that might be a bad move for me!! Arghhhh, decisions!
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Dont listen to Scara on anything. As it stands we dont know for sure if immunity is possible, let alone herd immunity
 
DTA said:
Dont listen to Scara on anything. As it stands we dont know for sure if immunity is possible, let alone herd immunity
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The more I’m seeing the words ‘underlying issues’ ‘breathing problems’ and ‘no fudging ventilators’, the more I’m getting concerned....
 
scaramanga said:
It can't be for a small time - that's the issue with this approach.

Once we've closed off the herd immunity option then it's lock down (and the progression pretty much everywhere is that it gets more severe soon) until a vaccine turns up. That could easily be 18 months or even more away. If we all just shut the door until then, not only will that have life changing immediate effects for large parts of the country, it will ruin the country for generations.
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It's not about waiting for vaccine. It's about buying time until you can assess your options better.

One result of that would be to see if existing safe medicines can combat the symptoms. This is something already playing out. Once you have that then you can ease social restrictions.
 
Had to laugh at Matt Hanrooster trying to emphasise the 'massive task' and 'logistical challenge' to get PPE out and distributed to the multitude of hospitals, health and social workers. 'We have the product in a warehouse that was set up in case of this kind of pandemic' 'We're rectifying it as quickly as we can'

Note to government: Perhaps next time just rent some space in the corner of an Amazon warehouse, give'em the green light...all sorted. (Think they might be slightly better at it than you)
 
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