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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

Glenda's Legs said:
If they have converted to safe standing, i.e. rail seating, why would they have to convert it back? Isn't that exactly what we will have in NWHL - a future safe standing area where you currently have to be seated? Or would we have to do something extra should safe standing become permitted?

Do you mean would the Shrewsbury situation have any bearing on whether safe standing would be allowed in the Championship/PL if Shrewsbury were promoted? If so, then no, I don't think it would.
Even if there were lots of support for it and politicians were minded to approve it into law (and I don't think we are anywhere near that level of support yet), parliamentary time is likely to be pretty full over the next few years with Brexit legislative work. I can't see priority being given to something like this. Not for football.
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Good point. So, there will be even less of a problem if Shrewsbury are promoted, or rather no problem at all, so it won't bring anything to a head. Apparently for safe standing the seats are locked into place, and then unlocked for all-seater games.
 
LesMedley said:
According to Wikipedia, New Meadow, Shrewsbury's ground, was built in 2007 as an all-seater stadium, but in June 2017 the club applied for permission for some safe standing conversion, at a cost of £75,000, which may or may not have been completed. If they can convert to safe standing, I suspect they can change it back. Either way it doesn't appear to be the massive problem you are implying.
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Glenda's Legs said:
If they have converted to safe standing, i.e. rail seating, why would they have to convert it back? Isn't that exactly what we will have in NWHL - a future safe standing area where you currently have to be seated? Or would we have to do something extra should safe standing become permitted?
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Surely this is not an issue, you just leave the current "SEATING" in locked down mode. It's seating ffs. Seems to work alright for Dortmund et al in the UCL.

The safe standing/seated thing is all BS anyway. I honestly can't remember the last time I sat on a seat during a match. I spend enough time on my 4rse driving to them, without another 2 hours at the actual game.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
If they have converted to safe standing, i.e. rail seating, why would they have to convert it back? Isn't that exactly what we will have in NWHL - a future safe standing area where you currently have to be seated? Or would we have to do something extra should safe standing become permitted?



Do you mean would the Shrewsbury situation have any bearing on whether safe standing would be allowed in the Championship/PL if Shrewsbury were promoted? If so, then no, I don't think it would.
Even if there were lots of support for it and politicians were minded to approve it into law (and I don't think we are anywhere near that level of support yet), parliamentary time is likely to be pretty full over the next few years with Brexit legislative work. I can't see priority being given to something like this. Not for football.
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It occurred to me that after the three years - assuming they are about to commence their fourth season in the Championship - they could appeal to the Secretary of State for a dispensation to use their rail seats for standing on the grounds that it could form part of an ongoing experiment until such time as Parliament gets round to reviewing the legislation.

Just a thought.
 
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Shrewsbury is different because they have new purpose built safe standing/rail seats. All previous cases have just been old pre-90s standing areas.

Because it's modern technology they will be being forced to downgrade, its making the situation more public and more farcical.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Shrewsbury is different because they have new purpose built safe standing/rail seats. All previous cases have just been old pre-90s standing areas.

Because it's modern technology they will be being forced to downgrade, its making the situation more public and more farcical.
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It's only 550 seats out of just under 10,000. Shrewsbury's average attendance this season is around 6,500. It is unlikely in my view to cause much reaction at all. I can imagine Daniel Levy making noises off stage to get a consensus for a "trial" at the new stadium for next season before the seats are installed, but I can't see him using Shrewsbury's situation as an argument, much more Celtic's experience and those in the Bundesliga.
Time will tell.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Shrewsbury is different because they have new purpose built safe standing/rail seats. All previous cases have just been old pre-90s standing areas.

Because it's modern technology they will be being forced to downgrade, its making the situation more public and more farcical.
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Doesn't matter how different Shrewsbury is, the law is the law. Not sure what case you are trying to argue tbh.
 
LesMedley said:
It's only 550 seats out of just under 10,000. Shrewsbury's average attendance this season is around 6,500. It is unlikely in my view to cause much reaction at all. I can imagine Daniel Levy making noises off stage to get a consensus for a "trial" at the new stadium for next season before the seats are installed, but I can't see him using Shrewsbury's situation as an argument, much more Celtic's experience and those in the Bundesliga.
Time will tell.
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I really hope that there will not be any trial next season. Trialling safe standing will bring a lot of focus and will mean stewards having to be very strict about ensuring sitting in other areas. Of course that will be an issue whenever it is first trialled but I'd rather it didn't come in our first season With the resultant publicity.
 
It’s all very confusing but i can’t see how they can trial it next season when they are building it now. What’s the point in putting our normal seats in then taking them out and putting in the rails and rail seats. They can’t do it mid season so I’m guessing the earliest we will see this is 2019/20 season in August 2019.
 
It's really starting to look good and I know there seems to be no panic from the club hierarchy. But when you look at the whole thing, I wonder how it can be fully ready for 60,000 people to watch a match in 5 months time
 
paxtonwolf said:
It's really starting to look good and I know there seems to be no panic from the club hierarchy. But when you look at the whole thing, I wonder how it can be fully ready for 60,000 people to watch a match in 5 months time
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I was more worried about that before the South Stand was built, really couldn't see it but the speed at which that went up was incredible. Totaly relaxed about it myself now and finally allowing myself to get giddy with excitment
 
paxtonwolf said:
It's really starting to look good and I know there seems to be no panic from the club hierarchy. But when you look at the whole thing, I wonder how it can be fully ready for 60,000 people to watch a match in 5 months time
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Although 5 months not that far away it’s almost half a year of work. Think of what was done this time last year and where they have got to. I have faith in Levy and the workers but I do also look at the stadium and think there’s so much left to do.
 
Stole this off of user "Pellsheck" on Skyscrapercity:


A few images of the Wanda Metripolitano at the same stage last year (late March/early April 2017):



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Images from this thread/page: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...662282&page=78

> Incomplete roof
> No seats fitted yet
> Pitch area still a mud patch
> Interiors still a building site
> Exterior render not complete
> Public access, roads & paved areas outside still a mess
> Far, far fewer workers on site, and not 24/7 iirc
> Etc.

The stadium was ready for kick-off ~5 months later.

Of course, it's not a perfect apples & apples comparison, but it's presumably not an unreasonable ballpark comparison.
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So, you know, it might be ready in time! :)
 
paxtonwolf said:
It's really starting to look good and I know there seems to be no panic from the club hierarchy. But when you look at the whole thing, I wonder how it can be fully ready for 60,000 people to watch a match in 5 months time
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5 months looks to be ample time to me. The only concern I have is the sliding pitch as that would seem to be completely new technology. Every other remaining aspect of the fit out, both internal and external, can be accelerated by simply throwing more people at it.
 
Fulham had terracing in the Championship. I remember standing there when we played them in pre-season in 2000.
 
paxtonwolf said:
It's really starting to look good and I know there seems to be no panic from the club hierarchy. But when you look at the whole thing, I wonder how it can be fully ready for 60,000 people to watch a match in 5 months time
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I read somewhere recently that it only takes 3 weeks to put the roofing panels etc on, and we've seen how quickly the seats go in. I'm sure if the roof was on and all the seats in, it would be looking a lot more complete
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
It’s all very confusing but i can’t see how they can trial it next season when they are building it now. What’s the point in putting our normal seats in then taking them out and putting in the rails and rail seats. They can’t do it mid season so I’m guessing the earliest we will see this is 2019/20 season in August 2019.
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The future proofed safe standing will have rail seating, not normal seating, from day 1.
 
No point having standing next season, we need to make sure the stadium is running well and the security and management are all very slick before even attempting something like that. It's not easy to get the operations right in a new stadium.
 
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