Vlad Chiriches

[Rossi22]

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Disappointed really to see how spurs have changed Vlad. Even though he is playing regular football, everybody told him to stop with dribblings and long runs have somewhat stopped Chiriches's development. This "you are playing at a higher level now, so stop with going forward with the ball" thing is utterly wrong in my opinion. NOT ONE GOAL has been scored because of Vlad's going forward with the ball, and we are in January. Instead of enjoying this ability he has of taking players out and starting a good counter or joining the DM's in construction(we Steaua fans used to bet against each other on how far he can go with the ball) , now he is reduced to long balls at best in the attacking play. I expected this from the coach really, as his job is on the line, but the supporters are having the same idea. Instead of enjoying the thrill, and that you have a player that can do that, fans knock him like" we will be scored against because of that ONE DAY...".

Fans just like to moan, I wouldn't read too much into it. Some would describe BAE as a "disaster waiting to happen" when he did his Cruyff turns in dangerous positions, even five years later people would still say it but I can't remember it once ever leading to a goal conceded. I implore Vlad to keep doing his thing, away to Utd he passed a great ball out of defence when under pressure which led to our 2nd goal, others *cough* Dawson *cough* would've just booted it into the stands, unless we suddenly start losing a bunch of goals from Vlad overplaying then I'll always prefer what he does compared to most defenders.

 

[IulianSteaua]

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Did he constantly get beat with same pass every week for Steaua too?

The guy seriously has an issue with ball watching and getting drawn in. He has no sense of the attackers positioning, and it's very easy for a player to feed the striker if it's Vlad that's marking him. The same pass all the time..every damn time.

Mate you are a strong Dawson fan, I respect that, but half of those were Dawson's fault, the guy that got the ball was Dawson's guy, not Vlad's guy. When the ball comes over a defender(Vlad) and an opponent losses his defender(Dawson) to get to that ball it is not Vlad's fault, it's Dawson's for loosing his man, and not coming with him because he's like ... "neah it's Vlad's area of the field let him handle it ..."

 

[Rossi22]

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Mate you are a strong Dawson fan, I respect that, but half of those were Dawson's fault, the guy that got the ball was Dawson's guy, not Vlad's guy. When the ball comes over a defender(Vlad) and an opponent losses his defender(Dawson) to get to that ball it is not Vlad's fault, it's Dawson's for loosing his man, and not coming with him because he's like ... "neah it's Vlad's area of the field let him handle it ..."

I agree, I haven't seen today's game so can't comment but past instances have been where the opposition are attacking down our left, Chiriches is facing the play, Dawson has the striker and they play a ball either over Chiriches or down the side between himself and Rose and the striker latches onto it, in that scenario it's down to Dawson imo as it's his guy and he can see him and the ball. Unless Chiriches grows eyes in the back of his head of grows 10ft then the same thing will keep happening.

 

[Kingdawson]

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Mate you are a strong Dawson fan, I respect that, but half of those were Dawson's fault, the guy that got the ball was Dawson's guy, not Vlad's guy. When the ball comes over a defender(Vlad) and an opponent losses his defender(Dawson) to get to that ball it is not Vlad's fault, it's Dawson's for loosing his man, and not coming with him because he's like ... "neah it's Vlad's area of the field let him handle it ..."

what? what match or matches are you referring to?

Chiriches gets beaten with the same pass every game. Did you watch the game today? i don't mind that he takes the ball out from defence, in fact i like it. I like that he sometimes takes risks and bombs forward. I don't like how it's very very very easy to get in behind him.

 

[IulianSteaua]

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Fans just like to moan, I wouldn't read too much into it. Some would describe BAE as a "disaster waiting to happen" when he did his Cruyff turns in dangerous positions, even five years later people would still say it but I can't remember it once ever leading to a goal conceded. I implore Vlad to keep doing his thing, away to Utd he passed a great ball out of defence when under pressure which led to our 2nd goal, others *cough* Dawson *cough* would've just booted it into the stands, unless we suddenly start losing a bunch of goals from Vlad overplaying then I'll always prefer what he does compared to most defenders.

I'm not trying to be like "our precious Vlad, what have they done to him" guy. I know he is growing as a player in the PL, but it just looks like the manager is tying him down, saw this game against CP, just 1 minor going forward action, ain't no beauty in that, no effectiveness either. He should be used to help the DM's out with his passing when attacking not just you're a CB give me the ball I know better what to do with it attitude. Compared to most of our DM, Vlad is above them technically wise. I'm just saying we are not using him as much as we can, just because of a stupid fear that never costs us.

 

[harr1984]

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what? what match or matches are you referring to?

Chiriches gets beaten with the same pass every game. Did you watch the game today? i don't mind that he takes the ball out from defence, in fact i like it. I like that he sometimes takes risks and bombs forward. I don't like how it's very very very easy to get in behind him.

He's right Im afraid, quite a few times its been Dawson's man. Just because Chiriches couldn't cut out a pass doesn't change the fact Dawson has been culpable...

 

[braineclipse]

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what? what match or matches are you referring to?

Chiriches gets beaten with the same pass every game. Did you watch the game today? i don't mind that he takes the ball out from defence, in fact i like it. I like that he sometimes takes risks and bombs forward. I don't like how it's very very very easy to get in behind him.

Do you think that could have something to do with Chiriches playing with Rose as his fullback whereas Dawson has the (imo) much superior Walker on his side?

Chiriches had a really tough first half today. One of his first up against a striker like that in the PL I think and he was second best throughout, got bested by Cameron Jerome in a way that was frankly scary. He did much better in the second half though, will have to learn quickly against players like that I think if he is to get a regular starting spot for us.

 

[IulianSteaua]

Re: Official - Chiriches

what? what match or matches are you referring to?

Chiriches gets beaten with the same pass every game. Did you watch the game today? i don't mind that he takes the ball out from defence, in fact i like it. I like that he sometimes takes risks and bombs forward. I don't like how it's very very very easy to get in behind him.

It's easy to get behind him because most of the time that is not his guy. You have 1 opponent in attack and Vlad and Dawson in defense. Vlad is watching the player with the ball on his side from some yards away, and an opponent from yards away comes behind Vlad. What is Dawson doing counting sheeps ? When a guy comes from a cm attacking position the guy that doesn't follow the one with the ball has to guard him, especially if there is not immediate danger from someone else it's football 101. Saw this in the Manchester game we won and in the other matches as well.

 

[the dza]

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what? what match or matches are you referring to?

Chiriches gets beaten with the same pass every game. Did you watch the game today? i don't mind that he takes the ball out from defence, in fact i like it. I like that he sometimes takes risks and bombs forward. I don't like how it's very very very easy to get in behind him.

Yes, that pass that goes through on his left side. Time and again he gets done by it, and people keep telling me this guy has some pace. Where is it?

He's not good enough in the air to compensate for this weakness. I mean Dawson can get done by through-passes, but he can go out and win the dual in the air more often than not. Chiriches needs to be able to take care of business tidying up and he is just not doing that right now.

We need to buy a centre-half to replace Kaboul and then pair that player with either Dawson or Vertonghen.

IMO, some people have fallen in love with this guy on youtube and they won't have it that, actually, he's not playing very well at all. Not an upgrade on Caulker, who I also didn't rate. He's young, that's about the only positive for me.

 

[Kingdawson]

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It's easy to get behind him because most of the time that is not his guy. You have 1 opponent in attack and Vlad and Dawson in defense. Vlad is watching the player with the ball on his side from some yards away, and an opponent from yards away comes behind Vlad. What is Dawson doing counting sheeps ? When a guy comes from a cm attacking position the guy that doesn't follow the one with the ball has to guard him, especially if there is not immediate danger from someone else it's football 101. Saw this in the Manchester game we won and in the other matches as well.

Did you watch the game today?

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Official - Chiriches

Yes, that pass that goes through on his left side. Time and again he gets done by it, and people keep telling me this guy has some pace. Where is it?

He's not good enough in the air to compensate for this weakness. I mean Dawson can get done by through-passes, but he can go out and win the dual in the air more often than not. Chiriches needs to be able to take care of business tidying up and he is just not doing that right now.

We need to buy a centre-half to replace Kaboul and then pair that player with either Dawson or Vertonghen.

IMO, some people have fallen in love with this guy on youtube and they won't have it that, actually, he's not playing very well at all. Not an upgrade on Caulker, who I also didn't rate. He's young, that's about the only positive for me.

WOW Someone sees it...hallejuah.

 

[the dza]

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As for needing eyes in the back of his head -- no. He either needs the pace to recover that situation (he doesn't have it) or he needs to get himself in a better position in the first place (he might learn this). But if he needs to learn this, we might as well have kept Caulker or used another academy player.

 

[braineclipse]

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Yes, that pass that goes through on his left side. Time and again he gets done by it, and people keep telling me this guy has some pace. Where is it?

He's not good enough in the air to compensate for this weakness. I mean Dawson can get done by through-passes, but he can go out and win the dual in the air more often than not. Chiriches needs to be able to take care of business tidying up and he is just not doing that right now.

We need to buy a centre-half to replace Kaboul and then pair that player with either Dawson or Vertonghen.

IMO, some people have fallen in love with this guy on youtube and they won't have it that, actually, he's not playing very well at all. Not an upgrade on Caulker, who I also didn't rate. He's young, that's about the only positive for me.

He showed that pace against United. Can't remember who he was up against, could have been Young, but he turned and got up to speed quickly. Showed it again today when Eriksen didn't properly track his man and Vlad did enough to recover to put him under some pressure to keep him from having a free cross/pass into the danger area.

It's not only about being quick, it's about how good you are at tackling along the ground as well. Early days still, but Chiriches looks a lot more solid than Dawson in this respect.

Are you really saying that Dawson and Vertonghen are at a similar level?

 

[IulianSteaua]

Re: Official - Chiriches

WOW Someone sees it...hallejuah.

It's not the pass we are talking about, it's the opponent that gets the pass... Most of the times it's Dawson man who gets the pass and produces a problem to our goal. Dawson is just like, ok this man is going into Vlad's part of the field it's his responsability now... NO follow you're man and make sure he doesn't get the ball !!

 

[IulianSteaua]

Re: Official - Chiriches

He showed that pace against United. Can't remember who he was up against, could have been Young, but he turned and got up to speed quickly. Showed it again today when Eriksen didn't properly track his man and Vlad did enough to recover to put him under some pressure to keep him from having a free cross/pass into the danger area.

It's not only about being quick, it's about how good you are at tackling along the ground as well. Early days still, but Chiriches looks a lot more solid than Dawson in this respect.

Are you really saying that Dawson and Vertonghen are at a similar level?

Silly isn't it ? Dawson is slower than any of the other 3 players in the CB position, it's clear to see.

 

[the dza]

Re: Official - Chiriches

He showed that pace against United. Can't remember who he was up against, could have been Young, but he turned and got up to speed quickly. Showed it again today when Eriksen didn't properly track his man and Vlad did enough to recover to put him under some pressure to keep him from having a free cross/pass into the danger area.

It's not only about being quick, it's about how good you are at tackling along the ground as well. Early days still, but Chiriches looks a lot more solid than Dawson in this respect.

Are you really saying that Dawson and Vertonghen are at a similar level?

What was he doing when Wellbeck scored? I have no idea.

Dawson and Vertonghen can bring different strengths to a partnership, but they aren't a complimentary pairing imo. So a Kaboul type should be paired with one of them. I'd go with Vertonghen, if we could get an "all-rounder" like Kaboul was at his best. That'd be a very good pairing.

 

[Rossi22]

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This pass?

That's down to Dawson ... not Vlad. Dawson's man, he needs to cover behind and Chiriches will then in turn crossover to cover for Dawson. What happens though is that Dawson either leaves him or is too slow to react/keep up and it just looks like it's Vlad's fault because the ball and man are now on his side.

 

[the dza]

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Silly isn't it ? Dawson is slower than any of the other 3 players in the CB position, it's clear to see.

Of course Dawson is slower -- but Dawson is, at the moment, the only centre-back we have who can head the ball. You need at least one in this league, coz if you don't...well, you saw the West Ham league Cup game didn't you? Managers from big Sam to Jose would exploit such an obvious weakness in their opponent.

Pair up Vertonghen and Chiriches and watch teams just smash high balls into the centre of our defence and eat us for breakfast with very simple football.

 

[the dza]

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This pass?

That's down to Dawson ... not Vlad. Dawson's man, he needs to cover behind and Chiriches will then in turn crossover to cover for Dawson. What happens though is that Dawson either leaves him or is too slow to react/keep up and it just looks like it's Vlad's fault because the ball and man are now on his side.

Right. But the whole world knows that Dawson cannot keep up with Wellbeck. So why would we defend in such a way as to depend on that? I've gone over what Dawson brings to the table. I'm not seeing what Vlad brings to the table to make that a good partnership. And I've already said why, imo, Vertonghen and Chiriches won't work.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Official - Chiriches

What was he doing when Wellbeck scored? I have no idea.

Dawson and Vertonghen can bring different strengths to a partnership, but they aren't a complimentary pairing imo. So a Kaboul type should be paired with one of them. I'd go with Vertonghen, if we could get an "all-rounder" like Kaboul was at his best. That'd be a very good pairing.

I thought we were talking about his pace?

Dawson and Vertonghen is an alright partnership to me. Vertonghen is clearly our best defender at the moment imo, when he is fit and back playing as a centre back anyone who wants to play centre back is competing to play next to him.

Kaboul and Dawson has never looked good so I'm not sure why you would like a Kaboul type player paired with Dawson. Dawson has his strengths and weaknesses, amongst his weaknesses is that he seems to need a top class player next to him to work well. Players like King, Naybet, Woodgate, Gallas and Vertonghen have all managed to make the player next to them look better. Dawson has needed someone next to him to make him better. He hasn't been the leader or organizer that we've wanted him to be, he hasn't been the player we could trust to help bring someone else along to integrate and get better.

As for Chiriches, he also has his strengths and weaknesses. He's still adjusting to the league and he's still to play next to Vertonghen - our best central defender and the only central defender we have that currently seems capable of making the players around him better. At the very least I'm going to withhold my judgement on Vlad until he's had over a full season for us, but to me he looks very promising at this point.