Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official - Chiriches
I said the same thing yesterday...he gets done with the same pass again and again.
I said the same thing yesterday...he gets done with the same pass again and again.
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Vlad Chiriches
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africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Re: Official - Chiriches
nope
i'm talking about when someone has time to look up and kick that ball...why isnt it tearing teams apart everytime
and i agree its impossible to look in two directions at once but it isnt impossible to be aware whats happening with your CB partner......or that you probably should be able to read the destination of what the opposition is trying to do ....to mark space / danger area
it shouldnt be one v one everytime someone plays a ball over the top.
nope
i'm talking about when someone has time to look up and kick that ball...why isnt it tearing teams apart everytime
and i agree its impossible to look in two directions at once but it isnt impossible to be aware whats happening with your CB partner......or that you probably should be able to read the destination of what the opposition is trying to do ....to mark space / danger area
it shouldnt be one v one everytime someone plays a ball over the top.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official - Chiriches
When good creative players get space in between the lines it does end up creating problems for most teams. It's why Lee Cattermole is a professional footballer making tons of money. It's why teams sit back with 9-10 outfield players behind the ball against us. Not sure what you're saying "nope" to here actually, who are these teams that regularly look solid against very good players that are given space and time on the ball in between the lines to pick out runners?
It's a centre back partnership thing. They need to communicate, they need to help each other out. Like I said I think Dawson is in decent control of that situation if he doesn't trip. And Rose/Eriksen need to get a bit closer to Januzai.
When good creative players get space in between the lines it does end up creating problems for most teams. It's why Lee Cattermole is a professional footballer making tons of money. It's why teams sit back with 9-10 outfield players behind the ball against us. Not sure what you're saying "nope" to here actually, who are these teams that regularly look solid against very good players that are given space and time on the ball in between the lines to pick out runners?
It's a centre back partnership thing. They need to communicate, they need to help each other out. Like I said I think Dawson is in decent control of that situation if he doesn't trip. And Rose/Eriksen need to get a bit closer to Januzai.
Re: Official - Chiriches
It is the *in* pass of the season. We had some success early in the season and Soldado nearly set up Lennon. Against pace hard to defend.
Re: Official - Chiriches
Dawson was immense yesterday. Hardly put a foot wrong. You do realise we were playing against about 5 strikers in the later stages?
Nice selection problems for TS.
Dawson was immense yesterday. Hardly put a foot wrong. You do realise we were playing against about 5 strikers in the later stages?
Nice selection problems for TS.
Re: Official - Chiriches
My problem with Vlad is that he needs to get his shorts dirty. His skill is evident. I want to see his heart.
My problem with Vlad is that he needs to get his shorts dirty. His skill is evident. I want to see his heart.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
braineclipse
Willie Hall
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Re: Official - Chiriches
when you and i speak i am never quite sure what we are talking about it always seems crossed over different points
trying to get back on track...i'm talking about when teams have a player able to play a simple ball over the back line..thats what "nope" is referring to. i am not talking about those situations where another team is marked out with midfielders and 9 or 10 people are behind the ball in their own half because for a start it would be hard to get a good pass off anyway....and there isnt enough room to play in behind the defense...at least not often enough
so the nope is referring to situations that a team is able to play a ball over the top of the back line...so for whatever reason that this scenario happened ..we start there.
"who are these people that defende well"? why i think you'll find thats pretty much most premier league teams that are prepared to deal with direct balls over the top. it also doesnt have to be a good team and it also doesnt only have to be between the lines of the midfield and defense.....i still dont expect dawson to have to deal with that situation forever while chiriches drags his heels though but i can understand why dawson would get isolated IF i was only talking about "very good" midfielders slipping past all our midfielders and staring down our defensive line causing someone to have to come out and meet them
not to mention i am not even talking about an isolated incident, i am talking about something that is becoming a bit more and more of a regular thing with chiriches......
and its not about dawson slipping or not etc, its about dawson always being left to his own devises . as if he is defending by himself
agree about the communication / partnership aspect of things, i mention it a few times at least...i dont think its good between the pair and i am more likely to find fault with the guy that people always seem to be playing the ball behind of , who for some reason seems to like the sight seeing stroll all the way back to where his team mates are defending
you know a couple of times i have seen that ball get played over him or to the side ...and a DEEPER player have overlapped him trying to get back in the box to help out. literaly the midfielder got back before chiriches
when you and i speak i am never quite sure what we are talking about it always seems crossed over different points
trying to get back on track...i'm talking about when teams have a player able to play a simple ball over the back line..thats what "nope" is referring to. i am not talking about those situations where another team is marked out with midfielders and 9 or 10 people are behind the ball in their own half because for a start it would be hard to get a good pass off anyway....and there isnt enough room to play in behind the defense...at least not often enough
so the nope is referring to situations that a team is able to play a ball over the top of the back line...so for whatever reason that this scenario happened ..we start there.
"who are these people that defende well"? why i think you'll find thats pretty much most premier league teams that are prepared to deal with direct balls over the top. it also doesnt have to be a good team and it also doesnt only have to be between the lines of the midfield and defense.....i still dont expect dawson to have to deal with that situation forever while chiriches drags his heels though but i can understand why dawson would get isolated IF i was only talking about "very good" midfielders slipping past all our midfielders and staring down our defensive line causing someone to have to come out and meet them
not to mention i am not even talking about an isolated incident, i am talking about something that is becoming a bit more and more of a regular thing with chiriches......
and its not about dawson slipping or not etc, its about dawson always being left to his own devises . as if he is defending by himself
agree about the communication / partnership aspect of things, i mention it a few times at least...i dont think its good between the pair and i am more likely to find fault with the guy that people always seem to be playing the ball behind of , who for some reason seems to like the sight seeing stroll all the way back to where his team mates are defending
you know a couple of times i have seen that ball get played over him or to the side ...and a DEEPER player have overlapped him trying to get back in the box to help out. literaly the midfielder got back before chiriches
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official - Chiriches
Ok, so you're not talking about the goal United scored then?
Did you feel that this over the top ball was a problem against United? Or in previous games?
Once again I'll say pressure on the man on the ball. We've played a high pressing, high line game most of this season. Without pressure on the man on the ball so that he's given the chance to play a well timed ball over the top, picking out a runner that's running in behind will cause problems. Most teams don't play a high line, the teams that do so successfully are really good at pressing all over the pitch. Against United we sat a bit deeper and I don't think the passes you're talking about was that much of a problem.
Ok, so you're not talking about the goal United scored then?
Did you feel that this over the top ball was a problem against United? Or in previous games?
Once again I'll say pressure on the man on the ball. We've played a high pressing, high line game most of this season. Without pressure on the man on the ball so that he's given the chance to play a well timed ball over the top, picking out a runner that's running in behind will cause problems. Most teams don't play a high line, the teams that do so successfully are really good at pressing all over the pitch. Against United we sat a bit deeper and I don't think the passes you're talking about was that much of a problem.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Re: Official - Chiriches
these things happen be it high line or deeper with chiriches....on the ground or over the top
not always of course but more than enough to notice the difference when compared to other people partnering dawson
i felt it was a problem in previous games...it happened at least 3 times againt united.
i was going to say we use the next game as a test, but it arsenal so thats not really the best one..we'll use the game after that
these things happen be it high line or deeper with chiriches....on the ground or over the top
not always of course but more than enough to notice the difference when compared to other people partnering dawson
i felt it was a problem in previous games...it happened at least 3 times againt united.
i was going to say we use the next game as a test, but it arsenal so thats not really the best one..we'll use the game after that
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official - Chiriches
Sounds like a good plan, I'll keep my eyes open
Haven't seen it as a problem specific to Chiriches, but could obviously be missing something.
Sounds like a good plan, I'll keep my eyes open
Haven't seen it as a problem specific to Chiriches, but could obviously be missing something.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Official - Chiriches
this this ths
he often seems to let a player go past him and then gives up strolling back instead of nipping at the players heels
this this ths
he often seems to let a player go past him and then gives up strolling back instead of nipping at the players heels
Re: Official - Chiriches
How is that controversial? Jesus, it was a little light-hearted quip about a political issue; it wasn't a rape-joke.
How is that controversial? Jesus, it was a little light-hearted quip about a political issue; it wasn't a rape-joke.
IulianSteaua
Steed Malbranque
Re: Official - Chiriches
Disappointed really to see how spurs have changed Vlad. Even though he is playing regular football, everybody told him to stop with dribblings and long runs have somewhat stopped Chiriches's development. This "you are playing at a higher level now, so stop with going forward with the ball" thing is utterly wrong in my opinion. NOT ONE GOAL has been scored because of Vlad's going forward with the ball, and we are in January. Instead of enjoying this ability he has of taking players out and starting a good counter or joining the DM's in construction(we Steaua fans used to bet against each other on how far he can go with the ball) , now he is reduced to long balls at best in the attacking play. I expected this from the coach really, as his job is on the line, but the supporters are having the same idea. Instead of enjoying the thrill, and that you have a player that can do that, fans knock him like" we will be scored against because of that ONE DAY...".
Disappointed really to see how spurs have changed Vlad. Even though he is playing regular football, everybody told him to stop with dribblings and long runs have somewhat stopped Chiriches's development. This "you are playing at a higher level now, so stop with going forward with the ball" thing is utterly wrong in my opinion. NOT ONE GOAL has been scored because of Vlad's going forward with the ball, and we are in January. Instead of enjoying this ability he has of taking players out and starting a good counter or joining the DM's in construction(we Steaua fans used to bet against each other on how far he can go with the ball) , now he is reduced to long balls at best in the attacking play. I expected this from the coach really, as his job is on the line, but the supporters are having the same idea. Instead of enjoying the thrill, and that you have a player that can do that, fans knock him like" we will be scored against because of that ONE DAY...".
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official - Chiriches
Did he constantly get beat with same pass every week for Steaua too?
The guy seriously has an issue with ball watching and getting drawn in. He has no sense of the attackers positioning, and it's very easy for a player to feed the striker if it's Vlad that's marking him. The same pass all the time..every damn time.
Did he constantly get beat with same pass every week for Steaua too?
The guy seriously has an issue with ball watching and getting drawn in. He has no sense of the attackers positioning, and it's very easy for a player to feed the striker if it's Vlad that's marking him. The same pass all the time..every damn time.