The Overlap - some interesting comments from Ange

[Robspur12]

I just wish I could get past the fact so many people seem to want to f uck this achievement off, and refuse to give the manager any credit. In fact, I am seeing that the latest ‘Ange line’ involves him being somewhat ‘responsible’ for our current situation! Incredible!

From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.

 

[thfcsteff]

From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.

OK mate…I had a long reply written, but I realised I’m done with this thread TBH because it has become pointless IMO…if that’s what you see, then who am I to argue? No-one. But I will sign off by saying he did ‘suddenly’ make us into ‘winners’ because we rather unbelievably won the Europa League trophy. That’s not an opinion, it is a fact.

 

[SteveAWOL]

From what I'm reading Steff, people aren't doing that. They are grateful for the win while at the same time acknowledging the context of it, and arguing against the notion that Ange suddenly made us into "winners." Add to that the incongruence of 2 years of poor league form which started with Ange (and not just with TF) I'm not surprised we are where we are.

Yup, an elite manager knows that the league campaign should be their primary focus and if they can keep the team winning most weeks then picking up some silverware should be the corollary of that.

Hence why, despite not actually winning any trophies, Pochettino will continue to be held in higher regard than Postecoglou or Ramos even though each gave us a memorable cup win.

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[billyiddo]

If you're gonna credit Ange with making us winners you have to credit him for taking us to the wrong end of the table - this season is a case in point as to why many of us were so focused on the '17th' of last season - we were dragged to the bottom four, haven't been able to get ourselves out of it and are now staring relegation in the face.

 

[Bishop]

Ok….I’m not sure how else to say it. There is every chance we could have won that tournament anyway. But after the season we had, with a broken down squad, to arrive in that final believing we were going to win, against a club synonymous with winning…I think Ange had something to do with that. The fact that he knew to double down on ‘I always win things in my second year’ is Jose in his prime sort of stuff. The players absolutely bought into that. The sheer arrogance of it. When have Tottenham ever had arrogance about winning things in the last 40 years? I think we needed it.

I think it’s easy to say now that we’ve won it that we probably were always going to win it. But to win that final without our 2 key creative players and Bergval, having easily swept Bodo aside like it was nothing, when they’ve proved how good a side they are in the CL this year…having gone to Frankfurt including Ekitike needing a win and winning…we have been knocked out to worse teams with their manager being in prison. At so many times we might have not progressed.

I do find it quite strange for a club to be a laughing stock for not winning things to actually win something and then all of sudden it was sort of an easy thing to do. In another world, the pressure on us in that final to win the game because without it we had no Europe and the season being a waste would have seen our players wilt. But they didn’t. They believed they were going to win, and they did it. We hadn’t had actual belief that we were going to get over the line in a long time.

No other final have we played a team as abject as United were last season. We beat them FIVE times last year, FIVE! They were a dog brick opposition, why you are not taking that into account is confusing me.

You can only beat what's in front of your and what was in front of us was horse brick. So yes maybe if Poch had played that quality of United he would have also beaten them.

The quality of the opposition you play is way more of a factor than the coach believing in himself that he can win.

I'm not saying this too belittle the win in itself, just that for some reason you're forgetting who we actually played and holding it up as if we conquered a superior opposition, United were bloody worse than we were last season.