DublinSpur
Scott Parker
About bloody time.
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Technology And Refereeing
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Little Luka
John Scales
As long as it's an additional official sitting there telling the ref "in" or "out" instead of like ice hockey where the ref skates to the rink to talk to the officials. If it is seamless and fans won't notice much of a difference, then there won't be much argument against it after long.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Good news. Still a little sketical about how it's going to work but at least it's a step in the right direction.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
I still think this is a red herring.
Loads of money to sort out 1-2 mistakes per season per league while a lot of other mistakes that influence games just as much go on unchecked. Very small improvement for a massive cost, but at least now FIFA can say that they are doing something to take the pressure off them for a decade or so...
Loads of money to sort out 1-2 mistakes per season per league while a lot of other mistakes that influence games just as much go on unchecked. Very small improvement for a massive cost, but at least now FIFA can say that they are doing something to take the pressure off them for a decade or so...
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
braineclipse
Willie Hall
I remember reading somewhere that the installation costs for the Premier League would exceed the £8m per year the FA currently spend on refs.
I did a quick google search and the first actual number I found was £1.25m per club (http://keirradnedge.com/2012/07/05/goal-line-technology-do-not-expect-to-see-graphics-on-the-big-screen-2/)
It might not end up being that expensive and upkeep probably won't be that much, but it's going to be expensive and in my opinion ridiculously expensive when thought of as "cost per decision" or "cost per error avoided".
Scrapping the rule where when players already got a yellow card can't get retrospective bans for that offense or introducing automatic one or two match retrospective bans for simulation would have a much bigger impact on the fairness of the game at a (very small) fraction of the cost.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
For which one? Hawkeye or Goalref?
I've heard that Goalref is pretty cheap to install tbh, and that's what they're going to use in the championship and below.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
That link says Hawkeye, I can't remember what I heard the previous figure about.
Either way, of the ref errors that directly and severely change the outcomes of games (to me offsides, penalties, red cards and goal line disputes) this technology fixes a very small percentage of those. I haven't actually seen any stats on this, but I would be surprised if goal line disputes made up even 5% of those cases.
Either way, of the ref errors that directly and severely change the outcomes of games (to me offsides, penalties, red cards and goal line disputes) this technology fixes a very small percentage of those. I haven't actually seen any stats on this, but I would be surprised if goal line disputes made up even 5% of those cases.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
I can agree, however the problem with some of those errors (penalties, red cards) are highly based upon the referee's perception. If you did get replays for them, it would not eliminate human error as you still require humans to decide upon the result. There would be a lot more conspiracy threories going round if even with the replay teams felt they were hard done by, which would happen every week.
Whereas Goal line technology is that it's either in, or it's not. No human error. Deciding to include replays is a completely different discussion compared to goal line tech in my opinion. Though it is in a similar area.
Whereas Goal line technology is that it's either in, or it's not. No human error. Deciding to include replays is a completely different discussion compared to goal line tech in my opinion. Though it is in a similar area.
I can think of multiple incidences against Chelsea alone. And let's not forget Carroll's magnificent 'save' against Pedro Mendes...
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Proper discussion about what should and shouldn't be a red card card, penalty or even offside (new situation stuff) could happen, referees might actually end up reffing the games in a similar way instead of each game being reffed under different rules depending on the ref and how he feels that day. But no, let's not talk about that and let's certainly not talk about actually punishing diving, cheating or shirt pulling. No, let's talk about these relatively very rare instances that FIFA are now doing something about. To me it's big, fish shaped, redish and herring tasting.
There will always be errors, I accept that. However a video ref (or panel) couldn't be making blatant errors where as refs can so how the conspiracy theories would get worse I don't understand.
Are you from Liverpool?
This has been in the pipes for a long time now, one of the incidents that helped put it in the pipes was the Lampard vs Germany goal that wasn't given.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
No reason to believe that it will benefit us, just as likely to cost us as it is to benefit us. Things will just get ever so slightly more fair.
Slightly more fair benefits us. I would rather have goals for us disallowed by this technology and be safe in the knowledge that no cvnt of a ref can give ridiculous goals against us than have the rare goal unjustly given to us but still be open to getting fvcked over.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Doesn't benefit us over other clubs...
Obviously not, but it will certainly feel like it after being fudged over against the big clubs so consistently over the years, that was my point!