monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Setting the ground to remain I think.
Or...... publish it and push parliament into a GE hoping to lose.
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Or...... publish it and push parliament into a GE hoping to lose.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Which the DUP tried to do last night, however Labour whips had no idea this was going on, made no attempt to get their vote out, and lost by five when the DUP supported a Labour amendment. If ignorant posters on a football message board can predict this sort of thing, the Labour whips should be able to. The ERG may not be able to organise a putsch in a beer hall, but Labour doesn’t look too competent either.
The current Labour party are the only people I've seen since the mid 80s less fit to govern than our current government.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
There are still a huge number of competent people on the Labour backbenches, but the leadership regards them as "hostiles" and the membership regards them as neo-liberal Blairite scum. If you were putting together a government of national unity you'd grab more from the red side than the blue side though.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
My concern is that they’ll publish, but the press will fudge it up by giving the likes of Johnson and farrage a platform, under the label of balance, to declare it part of project fear and some will still ignore it.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The thing that Umunna and the Guardianistas just don't get is that most leavers didn't vote for economic reasons, they voted for societal reasons. So no one will have their mind changed by any 'x% of GDP' stat.
While it continues that 10% of the population have 50% of the wealth, no one is going to give a brick about a few percent lost from shareholders' profits
While it continues that 10% of the population have 50% of the wealth, no one is going to give a brick about a few percent lost from shareholders' profits
Without looking too deeply into it I think I'd agree. Not sure at which point Conservatives forgot how to conservative but they're mostly a fairly useless bunch at the moment.
The difficult question is how to get to a more centrist government without going via Corbyn and the inevitable effect on the socialist ratchet.
Robspur12
John Lacy
They will care when prices rise sharply when move to WTO rules. They will care when their Public services suffer as the economy takes a hit. They will care when companies continue not to invest because of uncertainties. No one lives in a bubble other than the most ardent brexiteers such as Mogg.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
All after the fact, and in GBs vision not what they will be voting for before this.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
The DUP's Brexit message to Theresa May
Laura Kuenssberg
Forget for a moment the "will they, won't they" numbers game.
Unless and until the head honcho of the Tories' backbench committee receives 48 letters there won't be a vote of no confidence in the prime minister.
As far as we know tonight the total has not yet been reached.
One of those who has submitted their letter told me in no uncertain terms "where are the others?" - frustrated that many of his colleagues seem to have promised to be part of the action, but reinforcements are yet to arrive.
If and when that threat can more clearly be seen to have retreated, there's a lot to be said about the true power of backbench Brexiteers. But as of the time of writing we are not there yet and who knows, in a matter of hours, the putsch could suddenly be back on.
Something very worrying however for Number 10 has just happened for real, more important in this moment than the potential threat from their own backbenches.
The DUP, crucial to Theresa May holding on to power, has just abstained in votes on the finance bill. In other words, they decided not to back the prime minister on the Budget.
Why? We know that the DUP is furious about the compromises that Number 10 has made to get their draft deal with the EU.
And they want to show, loudly and clearly, that they are not on board.
A senior DUP source has just told me tonight's votes were deliberately designed to "send a message to Theresa May that if she wants to continue down the road of the withdrawal agreement and its effect on the Union then there will be repercussions in the Commons".
"She could be leading them to a very bad place," they continued. "Tory MPs need to realise that their jobs, their majorities, their careers depend on a good working relationship with the DUP and May doesn't appear to be listening."
Ouch. The DUP says this is not the end of the arrangement of so called "confidence and supply" agreement, where the government can formally rely on support from the Northern Irish unionists' 10 votes.
But the fabric of that arrangement is certainly torn... And once faith is broken between the two, it's hard to see how it could be restored.
Remember, there's a really straightforward reason why this matters so much. Theresa May does not have enough votes on her own to pass the Brexit deal.
The partnership with the DUP was set up to try to make sure she could. If it collapses completely then her central task becomes yet more seemingly impossible, even if those 48 letters never come.
Laura Kuenssberg
Forget for a moment the "will they, won't they" numbers game.
Unless and until the head honcho of the Tories' backbench committee receives 48 letters there won't be a vote of no confidence in the prime minister.
As far as we know tonight the total has not yet been reached.
One of those who has submitted their letter told me in no uncertain terms "where are the others?" - frustrated that many of his colleagues seem to have promised to be part of the action, but reinforcements are yet to arrive.
If and when that threat can more clearly be seen to have retreated, there's a lot to be said about the true power of backbench Brexiteers. But as of the time of writing we are not there yet and who knows, in a matter of hours, the putsch could suddenly be back on.
Something very worrying however for Number 10 has just happened for real, more important in this moment than the potential threat from their own backbenches.
The DUP, crucial to Theresa May holding on to power, has just abstained in votes on the finance bill. In other words, they decided not to back the prime minister on the Budget.
Why? We know that the DUP is furious about the compromises that Number 10 has made to get their draft deal with the EU.
And they want to show, loudly and clearly, that they are not on board.
A senior DUP source has just told me tonight's votes were deliberately designed to "send a message to Theresa May that if she wants to continue down the road of the withdrawal agreement and its effect on the Union then there will be repercussions in the Commons".
"She could be leading them to a very bad place," they continued. "Tory MPs need to realise that their jobs, their majorities, their careers depend on a good working relationship with the DUP and May doesn't appear to be listening."
Ouch. The DUP says this is not the end of the arrangement of so called "confidence and supply" agreement, where the government can formally rely on support from the Northern Irish unionists' 10 votes.
But the fabric of that arrangement is certainly torn... And once faith is broken between the two, it's hard to see how it could be restored.
Remember, there's a really straightforward reason why this matters so much. Theresa May does not have enough votes on her own to pass the Brexit deal.
The partnership with the DUP was set up to try to make sure she could. If it collapses completely then her central task becomes yet more seemingly impossible, even if those 48 letters never come.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Only if we continue down the neo-liberalism path. Brexit in theory allows us to become more Keynesian
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
One fatal bicycle accident in Islington and harmony is restored. The hard left of Labour is riven; Momentum would back a Remainer. I'd expect someone like Stella Creasy to become leader. I could live with that.
By the look of Corbyn, a strong breeze in Islington might hopefully do the job. Creasy is far too taxy for my liking - not sure who I'd want out of their current crop.
EDIT: Scratch that, all the Conservatives need to do is stop the winter fuel allowance and he'll be no more than an uncomfortable bootnote in the history of quasi-communism.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
would also eradicate their base
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
They earn more from legacies than from subscriptions. It would fund the next election, particularly if business has gone off them.
Wouldn't matter - we're after a non-Corbyn world with a Labour that doesn't just want to tax everyone to death in this scenario.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Creasy got death threats from Momentum because she got spotted at a Shed Seven gig with a Tory MP (Therese Coffey)
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
And yet Labour are the kum bai ya singing party of the people....
Baleforce
Ron Henry
are Shed Seven Jewish?
No, they're just brick.