Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[johnola]

I understand the history of Zionism pretty well. Since the Hamas attack, I'm sure we all have been reading more on this. Now I might have qualified my comment with a qualification on the form of Zionism - labour, revisionist, etc. or this current ultra-nationalist flavour, but I have to be honest, I didn't think it needed it.

We all believe in fictions of one form or another. Everyone does, though they may not see it like that. A limited company is a fiction. It is not an actual thing outside of our acceptance that it exists. Civil rights are a fiction, and the laws are a fiction, and as you can see from the US, Trump and his goons can easily discard them if they so choose. Some of the biggest zealots on the planet are those who worship the great bull GHod, make line go up! Nation-states are a fiction and how they are created is often based on some arbitrary nonsense from history.
(edit: that is Noah Harari btw - not some great insight I've had!)

Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.

They aren't tangible. Proving GHod said this land is yours is impossible. And by Scaras logic it's made up. But I imagine he doesn't care as they aren't horrid little brown people who fast.

 

[Rorschach]

Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.

Territorial with a dominant leader, yes, but only in small groups is this workable (up to about 150 individuals). After that number things break down rather quickly. So we invented fictions, myths, etc and that allows much larger groups to work towards a common goal. This was a byproduct of the so-called cognitive revolution in Homo sapiens. We are almost unique in creating fiction among the animal kingdom, and it is really the reason why we are still here and not gone the way of the other human species. We probably killed those poor fudgers actually, though I think that fact is somewhat contested.

 

[monkeybarry]

This is the overarching difficulty for the government (or any government tbf). Rock and a hard place.

There's a good analogy with our very own football club. Not much money, moaning about spending and improvements. The difference is DL could stick behind his plan and generally ignore (lock himself up in his underground lair if need be). The vision can then unfold.
And in Governing the country a vision and long term plan is what is needed. BUT the lack of patience, lack of understanding and short attention spans...almost forces those in charge into short termism to appease. And you just end up into a day to day battle.

That's part of the reason I was in favour of cutting winter fuel payments (albeit it should have been means tested from the start- that was idiotic). Do it, let it land and then ask for forgiveness.
This Govt has shown balls in Yr1. I think they'll continue that with the Resident Consultants.
They do need to do it by targeting wealth too though. Attacking the middle class isn't the way to go.

 

[Lilbaz]

They aren't tangible. Proving GHod said this land is yours is impossible. And by Scaras logic it's made up. But I imagine he doesn't care as they aren't horrid little brown people who fast.

So who's land is it? If there are no boarders. Zionists can take what they want.

 

[johnola]

They aren't tangible. Proving GHod said this land is yours is impossible. And by Scaras logic it's made up. But I imagine he doesn't care as they aren't horrid little brown people who fast.

stick your hand in a wasps nest and tell me that is intangible.

 

[LutonSpurs]

So who's land is it? If there are no boarders. Zionists can take what they want.

Who ever does the genocidal ethnic cleanse it seems, and the way the civilised western leaders behavior would indicate this is liberty or democracy or justice

 

[LutonSpurs]

stick your hand in a wasps nest and tell me that is intangible.

Is this a parable?