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Rorschach said:
I understand the history of Zionism pretty well. Since the Hamas attack, I'm sure we all have been reading more on this. Now I might have qualified my comment with a qualification on the form of Zionism - labour, revisionist, etc. or this current ultra-nationalist flavour, but I have to be honest, I didn't think it needed it.

We all believe in fictions of one form or another. Everyone does, though they may not see it like that. A limited company is a fiction. It is not an actual thing outside of our acceptance that it exists. Civil rights are a fiction, and the laws are a fiction, and as you can see from the US, Trump and his goons can easily discard them if they so choose. Some of the biggest zealots on the planet are those who worship the great bull GHod, make line go up! Nation-states are a fiction and how they are created is often based on some arbitrary nonsense from history.
(edit: that is Noah Harari btw - not some great insight I've had!)
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Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.
 
johnola said:
Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.
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They aren't tangible. Proving GHod said this land is yours is impossible. And by Scaras logic it's made up. But I imagine he doesn't care as they aren't horrid little brown people who fast.
 
johnola said:
Many of these things are in our nature as for many creatures in the animal kingdom.

There is territoriality. Then there is also dominance and control.

These are integral to us and are not made up.
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Territorial with a dominant leader, yes, but only in small groups is this workable (up to about 150 individuals). After that number things break down rather quickly. So we invented fictions, myths, etc and that allows much larger groups to work towards a common goal. This was a byproduct of the so-called cognitive revolution in Homo sapiens. We are almost unique in creating fiction among the animal kingdom, and it is really the reason why we are still here and not gone the way of the other human species. We probably killed those poor fudgers actually, though I think that fact is somewhat contested.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
This is the overarching difficulty for the government (or any government tbf). Rock and a hard place.

There's a good analogy with our very own football club. Not much money, moaning about spending and improvements. The difference is DL could stick behind his plan and generally ignore (lock himself up in his underground lair if need be). The vision can then unfold.
And in Governing the country a vision and long term plan is what is needed. BUT the lack of patience, lack of understanding and short attention spans...almost forces those in charge into short termism to appease. And you just end up into a day to day battle.
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That's part of the reason I was in favour of cutting winter fuel payments (albeit it should have been means tested from the start- that was idiotic). Do it, let it land and then ask for forgiveness.
This Govt has shown balls in Yr1. I think they'll continue that with the Resident Consultants.
They do need to do it by targeting wealth too though. Attacking the middle class isn't the way to go.
 
monkeybarry said:
There is test for this.
Oh, what's it called. Begins with R....
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R....? Meh. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I think all of my nine kids have asked me this question - "Why are we here?" - at one point or another. It is deep, there is no denying it. So I have developed a simple answer to this fundamental question for ALL of my offspring, which answers their questions on their purpose and the meaning of life.
"Ask your mother. It was her idea"
 
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Rorschach said:
R....? Meh. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I think all of my nine kids have asked me this question - "Why are we here?" - at one point or another. It is deep, there is no denying it. So I have developed a simple answer to this fundamental question for ALL of my offspring, which answers their questions on their purpose and the meaning of life.
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If you weren't here you'd be somewhere else or not exist in the first place.
A meaningless question. One that people ask because they want to feel significant.
Why you're here is up to you.
 
Lilbaz said:
If you weren't here you'd be somewhere else or not exist in the first place.
A meaningless question. One that people ask because they want to feel significant.
Why you're here is up to you.
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This is hardly objective. The only correct answer in my view is, that we do not know why we are here. And the only certainty anyone has is that of their own sentience. Anyway we would need a philosophy thread as it's a great topic
 
Lilbaz said:
If you weren't here you'd be somewhere else or not exist in the first place.
A meaningless question. One that people ask because they want to feel significant.
Why you're here is up to you.
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Well, if I wasn't here, I'd probably would be off doing something useful. This is where I come to procrastinate. Hopefully I don't wink out of existence later.
 
Rorschach said:
R....? Meh. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I think all of my nine kids have asked me this question - "Why are we here?" - at one point or another. It is deep, there is no denying it. So I have developed a simple answer to this fundamental question for ALL of my offspring, which answers their questions on their purpose and the meaning of life.
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Er....the answer is...

To support Spurs.
 
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