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Oliver Skipp

Gazza said:
Oh dear ... so you were not excited when the two mentioned signed ? Of course not you, were right the whole time.

Should never have got a manager in at all, should have stuck with Ryan bloody Mason ... he cares!

Do me a favour don't put bread in the toaster you may burn it ...
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I certainly wasn't excited about N'dembele as I'd never heard of him, I was hopefully about Lo Celso as he had some pedigree. I'm never excited about overseas players joining as I rarely watch european football and know little of the players, experience has taught me many we have bought in the past have failed to deliver at a consistent level. I prefer to make a judgement on players by watching them rather than stats and YouTube (adverts) clips.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I certainly wasn't excited about N'dembele as I'd never heard of him, I was hopefully about Lo Celso as he had some pedigree. I'm never excited about overseas players joining as I rarely watch european football and know little of the players, experience has taught me many we have bought in the past have failed to deliver at a consistent level. I prefer to make a judgement on players by watching them rather than stats and YouTube (adverts) clips.
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Sounds old school lack of knowledge... probably explains why you didn't cream your pants as you put it ..

So obviously not hopeful this season by the new manager or any signings either.

Promote from within due to loyalty and work ethic ... didn't some romaine chap lettuce down and sue noni madueke jumped ship with so many more before them ... just silly to tar everyone with the same approach.

Just because skipp had played decent and tried doesn't make him a starter for me.
 
Gazza said:
Sounds old school lack of knowledge... probably explains why you didn't cream your pants as you put it ..

So obviously not hopeful this season by the new manager or any signings either.

Promote from within due to loyalty and work ethic ... didn't some romaine chap lettuce down and sue noni madueke jumped ship with so many more before them ... just silly to tar everyone with the same approach.

Just because skipp had played decent and tried doesn't make him a starter for me.
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Quite right I do lack knowledge of overseas players, but lack of knowledge doesn't stop many from raving about players they no nothing about other than internet knowledge/puffs. Young players come and go, club sign up 20 odd a season, few will make it but you've got to give them a try otherwise you don't get the likes of Kane, King, Campbell, Hoddle. This wonderful modern premier league era has seen us happier buying readymade failures from overseas than give young players a chance. After the initial buzz of a young player starting the fans are quick to rip them apart and want a shiny star.
I personally would prefer to see our team made up of a majority of British players of any ethnic group with a few top overseas players rather than a lot of average ones.
Overseas managers have little interest in developing players as it's unlikely they will be in the job long enough to be able to use them and owner like fans want success now not in 2 or 3 years.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Quite right I do lack knowledge of overseas players, but lack of knowledge doesn't stop many from raving about players they no nothing about other than internet knowledge/puffs. Young players come and go, club sign up 20 odd a season, few will make it but you've got to give them a try otherwise you don't get the likes of Kane, King, Campbell, Hoddle. This wonderful modern premier league era has seen us happier buying readymade failures from overseas than give young players a chance. After the initial buzz of a young player starting the fans are quick to rip them apart and want a shiny star.
I personally would prefer to see our team made up of a majority of British players of any ethnic group with a few top overseas players rather than a lot of average ones.
Overseas managers have little interest in developing players as it's unlikely they will be in the job long enough to be able to use them and owner like fans want success now not in 2 or 3 years.
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We cannot afford top over season players but one that could be just that ... both Ndombele and lo Celso were lauded as the next biggest thing ... so I don't know what you are getting at.

Our academy obviously is not good enough of all we want are players that make an effort.
 
Gazza said:
We cannot afford top over season players but one that could be just that ... both Ndombele and lo Celso were lauded as the next biggest thing ... so I don't know what you are getting at.

Our academy obviously is not good enough of all we want are players that make an effort.
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Who by? Our academy has not produced anyone recently, but Walker-Peters was no worse than our recent crop of full/wing backs. Tangaga and Cater-Vickers looked good playing against kids but did not kick on, that is where I feel age level football over 18 is letting many kids down. I believe we have some outstanding young players coming through at present and we need to handle their development and career path a lot better than we have.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Who by? Our academy has not produced anyone recently, but Walker-Peters was no worse than our recent crop of full/wing backs. Tangaga and Cater-Vickers looked good playing against kids but did not kick on, that is where I feel age level football over 18 is letting many kids down. I believe we have some outstanding young players coming through at present and we need to handle their development and career path a lot better than we have.
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Yeh and at the end of the day you have to have a joined up strategy from top to bottom in order to take advantage of any youth system IF its to be successful. If the kids don't get any chances then what hope have they or any academy player got. The clubs mentioned it more than once in the last few months that they got it wrong in that respect and that its now a matter of priority to at least see some more of the youth and what they can do. Otherwise whats the point ey
 
Grays_1890 said:
Yeh and at the end of the day you have to have a joined up strategy from top to bottom in order to take advantage of any youth system IF its to be successful. If the kids don't get any chances then what hope have they or any academy player got. The clubs mentioned it more than once in the last few months that they got it wrong in that respect and that its now a matter of priority to at least see some more of the youth and what they can do. Otherwise whats the point ey
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Even Pep is managing to bring through youth, with his squad of high fee, high earners
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Who by? Our academy has not produced anyone recently, but Walker-Peters was no worse than our recent crop of full/wing backs. Tangaga and Cater-Vickers looked good playing against kids but did not kick on, that is where I feel age level football over 18 is letting many kids down. I believe we have some outstanding young players coming through at present and we need to handle their development and career path a lot better than we have.
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Loans help massively
Need someone overseeing that
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Who by? Our academy has not produced anyone recently, but Walker-Peters was no worse than our recent crop of full/wing backs. Tangaga and Cater-Vickers looked good playing against kids but did not kick on, that is where I feel age level football over 18 is letting many kids down. I believe we have some outstanding young players coming through at present and we need to handle their development and career path a lot better than we have.
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No manager gets a long innings to get the luxury of setting the base players off their academy getting a decent chance. The game has changed since. Pep is unique that he can have his way in the league due to his success and ability to buy genuinely world players. If the youngsters fail then he can just buy his way out
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Loans help massively
Need someone overseeing that
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Quoted as being one of Munns top tasks from what I've read, up to him to make sure all stars align. Big task but it makes sense having someone like that who overseas the full operation as everyone has their individual agendas and goals. Let's see if it works but there is no doubt there has been a huge disconnect between the academy and first team
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Loans help massively
Need someone overseeing that
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I remember reading something Harry Kane said about being on loan, it was that it got him out of comfort zone when he realised the blokes he was playing with needed the win bonus and some were playing for a new contract to stay in the game. Lets you to know if you don't learn and work hard that's where you could end up.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I remember reading something Harry Kane said about being on loan, it was that it got him out of comfort zone when he realised the blokes he was playing with needed the win bonus and some were playing for a new contract to stay in the game. Lets you to know if you don't learn and work hard that's where you could end up.
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It really is that simple
It’s football that actually matters
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I remember reading something Harry Kane said about being on loan, it was that it got him out of comfort zone when he realised the blokes he was playing with needed the win bonus and some were playing for a new contract to stay in the game. Lets you to know if you don't learn and work hard that's where you could end up.
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Harry has drive, determination and ambition that 99% of footballers lack. Without that, he'd be playing way down in the pyramid as its those things which have honed his skills
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Quite right I do lack knowledge of overseas players, but lack of knowledge doesn't stop many from raving about players they no nothing about other than internet knowledge/puffs. Young players come and go, club sign up 20 odd a season, few will make it but you've got to give them a try otherwise you don't get the likes of Kane, King, Campbell, Hoddle. This wonderful modern premier league era has seen us happier buying readymade failures from overseas than give young players a chance. After the initial buzz of a young player starting the fans are quick to rip them apart and want a shiny star.
I personally would prefer to see our team made up of a majority of British players of any ethnic group with a few top overseas players rather than a lot of average ones.
Overseas managers have little interest in developing players as it's unlikely they will be in the job long enough to be able to use them and owner like fans want success now not in 2 or 3 years.
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If our team was made up of a majority of British players it would be average, possibly below average. Britain does not generate enough of the best players nor would we as a club be able monopolise having all of the good ones. What you're suggesting would just lower the quality and standard of Spurs relative to the rest of the league.

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Bishop said:
If our team was made up of a majority of British players it would be average, possibly below average. Britain does not generate enough of the best players nor would we as a club be able monopolise having all of the good ones. What you're suggesting would just lower the quality and standard of Spurs relative to the rest of the league.

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Totally agree, that would be the case at present. What I'm saying is I want to see improvements in our coaching and development strategy in all clubs, overseas players aren't born better players than British players, they are coached in a different way, they learn to love the ball and protect it. There have been improvements but even at PL clubs it's big boys with stamina making up a lot of the youth teams. When I was a teenager Portugal, Holland, Yugoslavia and Belguim were countries with poor international and club sides even France were very average but they've worked at their deficiencies and regularly produce good players, in Britain we've fallen behind them through lack of good coaching and structure of youth football.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Totally agree, that would be the case at present. What I'm saying is I want to see improvements in our coaching and development strategy in all clubs, overseas players aren't born better players than British players, they are coached in a different way, they learn to love the ball and protect it. There have been improvements but even at PL clubs it's big boys with stamina making up a lot of the youth teams. When I was a teenager Portugal, Holland, Yugoslavia and Belguim were countries with poor international and club sides even France were very average but they've worked at their deficiencies and regularly produce good players, in Britain we've fallen behind them through lack of good coaching and structure of youth football.
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OK. So...we've fallen behind them... but... we just won... the U21 Euros... because... um...?
 
Bullet said:
OK. So...we've fallen behind them... but... we just won... the U21 Euros... because... um...?
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There's your problem we won so everything is great, only took 39 years to win it again. We have some good players in that group but only 4 of them are regular starters.
 
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