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Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

Who do you want as the next Tottenham Hotspur manager?

  • Andoni Iraola

    Votes: 13 12.3%

  • Marco Silva

    Votes: 10 9.4%

  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 5 4.7%

  • Kieran McKenna

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 48 45.3%

  • Edin Tersic

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • A.N. Other

    Votes: 28 26.4%
  • Total voters
    106
Further stats for the Frank discussion when his suitablity is mentioned over the incumbent.
Taking Postecoglu's Premier League record right now, it sits at exactly half of Frank's in terms of amount of matches managed.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/42440/Ange-Postecoglou/overview

For the sake of it, let's double Ange's total numbers to bring them in line with Frank's. Bear in mind by doing so, we're making the assumption that his (fictional) 'next 76 games' would follow the exact pattern of his first 76. I personally think that'd be impossible due to the injuries, etc, however let's just assume it did.

POSTECOGLU

GAMES - 152
WINS - 62
DRAWS - 22
LOSSES - 68
GOALS FOR - 276
GOALS AGAINST - 252

FRANK

GAMES - 152
WINS - 54
DRAWS - 38
LOSSES - 60
GOALS FOR - 228
GOALS AGAINST - 224

Frank has 8 less wins, 16 more draws, and 8 fewer losses. His side also scored less and conceded less.

He has not achieved European qualification, narrowly avoided relegation last season finsihing 16th, and his only honour was winning the 2020/21 playoff final v Swansea. A fine achievement of course, Brentford had not been in the top flight since the late 40s, so good work.

Postecoglu won the Europa League last Wednesday.

I just wonder what qualifies Frank to be given the job?
 
dingdongo said:
22 league defeats...

Twenty two...

Twenty bl**dy two!!!

A Premier League record number of defeats for any side that has managed to avoid relegation!

I will love Ange forever for the Europa but there is nothing to suggest anything would change long term over the course of another season, Even moreso with the added difficulty of the CL games to contend with.

Can I love him but still want him replaced?
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Of course you can.
I'll ask if you think the act of getting over the line and winning with these players, plus decent recruitment in the summer (and I include physics!) plus learning from the lessons of last pre-season, plus hopefully less injuries would offer you a pause for consideration? Not trying to change anyone's mind, just discussing here...
 
metalgear said:
inzaghi is very suitable, the players will fit him well and he will create lots of triangles and polygons in the middle so we have to recruit another top midfielder to make it work. 3 CBs would also suit our CBs who are good on the ball
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If we had any chance at all to get Inzaghi then he would be great. I like his play style, it would be fun to watch, and he is consistently achieving strong results.
 
thfcsteff said:
Further stats for the Frank discussion when his suitablity is mentioned over the incumbent.
Taking Postecoglu's Premier League record right now, it sits at exactly half of Frank's in terms of amount of matches managed.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/42440/Ange-Postecoglou/overview

For the sake of it, let's double Ange's total numbers to bring them in line with Frank's. Bear in mind by doing so, we're making the assumption that his (fictional) 'next 76 games' would follow the exact pattern of his first 76. I personally think that'd be impossible due to the injuries, etc, however let's just assume it did.

POSTECOGLU

GAMES - 152
WINS - 62
DRAWS - 22
LOSSES - 68
GOALS FOR - 276
GOALS AGAINST - 252

FRANK

GAMES - 152
WINS - 54
DRAWS - 38
LOSSES - 60
GOALS FOR - 228
GOALS AGAINST - 224

Frank has 8 less wins, 16 more draws, and 8 fewer losses. His side also scored less and conceded less.

He has not achieved European qualification, narrowly avoided relegation last season finsihing 16th, and his only honour was winning the 2020/21 playoff final v Swansea. A fine achievement of course, Brentford had not been in the top flight since the late 40s, so good work.

Postecoglu won the Europa League last Wednesday.

I just wonder what qualifies Frank to be given the job?
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Now compare Postecoglou's Celtic with Frank's Brøndby.
 
Baleforce said:
Other than past performance, what else can you go off?
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I think the CV is part of it, you need someone with a history of winning, but at a lower level, and then you take a risk on whether they can step up, and you can channel that hunger for success. When you take someone from a higher level who has been there done it (us with Mourinho and Conte, Everton with Ancellotti), the only hunger is for a nice payday.
 
thfcsteff said:
Of course you can.
I'll ask if you think the act of getting over the line and winning with these players, plus decent recruitment in the summer (and I include physics!) plus learning from the lessons of last pre-season, plus hopefully less injuries would offer you a pause for consideration? Not trying to change anyone's mind, just discussing here...
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For me all those come behind being set up properly tactically, and playing a system suited to the league.

The things you've mentioned will only support a modified style of football. Without that as the jumping off point I don't see any progression for our league form.
 
fernadez said:
For me all those come behind being set up properly tactically, and playing a system suited to the league.

The things you've mentioned will only support a modified style of football. Without that as the jumping off point I don't see any progression for our league form.
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There are no guarantees in any of that though. I'm sure many, including myself, looked at Ruben Amorim's tactics as likely extremely effective in the Premier League. And why wouldn't they be? But there's so much more at play.
 
tommysvr said:
There are no guarantees in any of that though. I'm sure many, including myself, looked at Ruben Amorim's tactics as likely extremely effective in the Premier League. Why wouldn't they be?
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I was responding to the question of Ange next season. That recruitment etc is second to him modifying the tactical setup.
 
thfcsteff said:
Further stats for the Frank discussion when his suitablity is mentioned over the incumbent.
Taking Postecoglu's Premier League record right now, it sits at exactly half of Frank's in terms of amount of matches managed.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/42440/Ange-Postecoglou/overview

For the sake of it, let's double Ange's total numbers to bring them in line with Frank's. Bear in mind by doing so, we're making the assumption that his (fictional) 'next 76 games' would follow the exact pattern of his first 76. I personally think that'd be impossible due to the injuries, etc, however let's just assume it did.

POSTECOGLU

GAMES - 152
WINS - 62
DRAWS - 22
LOSSES - 68
GOALS FOR - 276
GOALS AGAINST - 252

FRANK

GAMES - 152
WINS - 54
DRAWS - 38
LOSSES - 60
GOALS FOR - 228
GOALS AGAINST - 224

Frank has 8 less wins, 16 more draws, and 8 fewer losses. His side also scored less and conceded less.

He has not achieved European qualification, narrowly avoided relegation last season finsihing 16th, and his only honour was winning the 2020/21 playoff final v Swansea. A fine achievement of course, Brentford had not been in the top flight since the late 40s, so good work.

Postecoglu won the Europa League last Wednesday.

I just wonder what qualifies Frank to be given the job?
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The flaw in all these arguments is the budget - both transfer and salary budgets.

You actually can't even compare different manager's results unless they're playing under very similar conditions. There is a massive gulf between Ange and Frank in that most critical area.

I remember heading to the stadium and watching Spurs vs Brentford. We won. All I remember was Toney being very good and never wanting my team to play like they did. I'm assuming Frank would argue like Big Sam did, that if he was at Real Madrid he'd play the RM way.

I can't see Ange going anywhere to be fair. He will be made to have the tough conversation about the league finish though. He will need to have some good answers and reassurances why next season should be different, especially based on the past and summer budgets in play. Ange "in or out" is clearly no longer just a football decision.
 
El Dante said:
If we had any chance at all to get Inzaghi then he would be great. I like his play style, it would be fun to watch, and he is consistently achieving strong results.
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If you as a manager had just won everything domestically with say Man U or Liverpool, and got to two CL finals, would you then go to say Fiorentina (who have got one of the best stadiums in the world, and just won the EL) because you though it was a step up in managerial ambition, or because they were offering to double your wages?
 
Baleforce said:
The only thing that matters next season is to qualify for the CL again.

We have two paths to that, being one of the best teams in the division, or winning the European Cup.

Therefore the question is, does another season of Angeball give us a realistic expectation of either?
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No, of course it doesn’t, he will be sacked by Christmas at the latest then all the Ange lovers will be calling for his head and moaning at Levy for wasting another season.

Bookmark this post, i am that confident.
 
thfcsteff said:
Further stats for the Frank discussion when his suitablity is mentioned over the incumbent.
Taking Postecoglu's Premier League record right now, it sits at exactly half of Frank's in terms of amount of matches managed.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/42440/Ange-Postecoglou/overview

For the sake of it, let's double Ange's total numbers to bring them in line with Frank's. Bear in mind by doing so, we're making the assumption that his (fictional) 'next 76 games' would follow the exact pattern of his first 76. I personally think that'd be impossible due to the injuries, etc, however let's just assume it did.

POSTECOGLU

GAMES - 152
WINS - 62
DRAWS - 22
LOSSES - 68
GOALS FOR - 276
GOALS AGAINST - 252

FRANK

GAMES - 152
WINS - 54
DRAWS - 38
LOSSES - 60
GOALS FOR - 228
GOALS AGAINST - 224

Frank has 8 less wins, 16 more draws, and 8 fewer losses. His side also scored less and conceded less.

He has not achieved European qualification, narrowly avoided relegation last season finsihing 16th, and his only honour was winning the 2020/21 playoff final v Swansea. A fine achievement of course, Brentford had not been in the top flight since the late 40s, so good work.

Postecoglu won the Europa League last Wednesday.

I just wonder what qualifies Frank to be given the job?
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Shiny new thing.
 
Lemonade Money said:
If you as a manager had just won everything domestically with say Man U or Liverpool, and got to two CL finals, would you then go to say Fiorentina (who have got one of the best stadiums in the world, and just won the EL) because you though it was a step up in managerial ambition, or because they were offering to double your wages?
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It could be a new challenge. He could link with Paratici, I have read/heard it said before that there is a link between the two although not sure how true it is. He would be paid a LOT and could see it as the next challenge at a club that could have high ceiling. And maybe he saw our celebrations and realised that were a grand old team to manage. I don’t know. It seems very unlikely BUT it would represent a new challenge and it’s not without its upsides.
 
thfcsteff said:
Further stats for the Frank discussion when his suitablity is mentioned over the incumbent.
Taking Postecoglu's Premier League record right now, it sits at exactly half of Frank's in terms of amount of matches managed.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/42440/Ange-Postecoglou/overview

For the sake of it, let's double Ange's total numbers to bring them in line with Frank's. Bear in mind by doing so, we're making the assumption that his (fictional) 'next 76 games' would follow the exact pattern of his first 76. I personally think that'd be impossible due to the injuries, etc, however let's just assume it did.

POSTECOGLU

GAMES - 152
WINS - 62
DRAWS - 22
LOSSES - 68
GOALS FOR - 276
GOALS AGAINST - 252

FRANK

GAMES - 152
WINS - 54
DRAWS - 38
LOSSES - 60
GOALS FOR - 228
GOALS AGAINST - 224

Frank has 8 less wins, 16 more draws, and 8 fewer losses. His side also scored less and conceded less.

He has not achieved European qualification, narrowly avoided relegation last season finsihing 16th, and his only honour was winning the 2020/21 playoff final v Swansea. A fine achievement of course, Brentford had not been in the top flight since the late 40s, so good work.

Postecoglu won the Europa League last Wednesday.

I just wonder what qualifies Frank to be given the job?
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Frank is not suitable, said it before, very direct/long ball type manager, great for lower midtable sides.

Honestly, hilarious in about 9 months, the same names keep getting circled around
 
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