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"Champions of 3rd place, we know what we are"

Gazza Dazzla said:
I think he’s obliged to say that isn’t he?
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Is he? Would hardly be the first player to say he wants to leave a club. Funny how if a Spurs player says he’s committed to our club we take it as gospel but if a rival player says it it’s of course ‘Yeah he’s got to say that’:D
 
DevonSpur said:
I personally think it's a bit disingenuous to say we have stumbled over the line, especially If we end up with 3rd. I don't see anyone saying Chelsea have bottled it or Liverpool are currently stumbling in the league. To me the 'stumbling' mantra as an extension of the 'bottler' tag, which as a Spurs fan I find quite insulting to the club. It's bad enough having to listen to it come from the media and opposing fans. Even worse when it's coming from fellow Spurs supporters.

We have just hit a poor run of form after THAT Juve game (which I thought we played really well in, largely) and THAT semi, which I reckon kicked the stuffing out of us. It's just another lesson for the club and players to learn from and come back stronger next term, afaic. We also shouldn't lose sight of how young and generally inexperienced the core of our club is, both players and coaches. As long as they are learning I'm happy.
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We didn't hit any bad run after the Juventus game. We went straight out and smashed Bournemouth 1-4. We hit bad form after the Chelsea win and have been shocking in pretty much every game since then save for 20 mins against Man Utd. Another lesson etc......how many of those do you want or do you think we need before we stop putting pressure on ourselves? I think we have had enough lessons to learn from in recent seasons.

Chelsea haven't thrown away a 10 point lead with 7 games to go so no they can't really be called bottlers and may well end up winning the FA Cup. They haven't been in the top 4 since February on the whole so it isn't a shock that we have finished above them given how far clear we were on April 2nd. Liverpool will be rightly pilloried if they finish 5th and end up losing the CL final but they could finish 5th and win the CL.......what would you rather? 3rd probably with no trophy or final and some lessons learnt no doubt.

Deary me, your irritation of it being described stumbling is like my irritation of happy clappers who just want a good news world......no criticism allowed because we were brick in the 90s. Don't rewrite history, call it as it is - It's been a very good season based on the end result but due to the performances and results especially in key games in the last 5 weeks we have crawled just about over the line and partly helped by Chelsea's results against other opponents ie Liverpool and Huddersfield and it has all ended rather flatly after another Semi Final defeat. Those are the facts, not some rose tinted view after the event and the same clichéd line of 'we would have taken that at the start of the season'.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't really see our poor form since the Chelsea win as anything to do with this supposed pressure they were putting us under, i think the cup semi result knocked us back a bit and it was just a case of being in a bit of a slump at the end of a long season - outside of spurs forums and a few twitchy supporters i don't even think there was much made of the situation at all.
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Its about all those factors tbh and I think it extended to more than a few twitchy supporters. A large portion of us have seen that sort of thing before and we allowed them to put pressure on us with those defeats against WBA and Emirates Marketing Project. The poor performances started at Stoke where we were so fortunate to win, not as a result of the Cup semi.....by then we had already played two matches where we had been rubbish quite frankly......the semi defeat just added to the pressure.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
PSG, Atletico, Italian sides, Bayern

Possibly the big 2 Spanish ones
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You picture Hazard going to Italy? It’s all guesswork at this stage as to who would want him. But he’s at a top club and paid very well and is loved there, he can cope with one season possibly outside of CL football....
 
jaysea67 said:
Assuming (i) domestic leagues finish in their current positions (ii) Real Madrid win CL, Atletico Madrid win EL (iii) highest ranking teams win CL qualifying rounds

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If Liverpool win CL then they would move to Pot 1, Real Madrid would move to Pot 2 and, without any other changes, Tottenham would move to Pot 3.
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Maybe it's just me, but I can't see the attachment that should have been with the above post.

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harr1984 said:
Is he? Would hardly be the first player to say he wants to leave a club. Funny how if a Spurs player says he’s committed to our club we take it as gospel but if a rival player says it it’s of course ‘Yeah he’s got to say that’:D
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Whose said that if they don’t get CL then they’ll leave before the season has ended?

Can you imagine Eriksen for example coming out and saying he’d leave if we don’t get CL? It would be crazy to admit that even if it was true. Nothing to do with Spurs or Chelsea, just common sense isn’t it? What’s to be gained in telling the truth in that situation?

I reckon Real would be all over Hazard wouldn’t they? Ronaldo getting on and Bale out of favor.
 
harr1984 said:
You picture Hazard going to Italy? It’s all guesswork at this stage as to who would want him. But he’s at a top club and paid very well and is loved there, he can cope with one season possibly outside of CL football....
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But it’s not one season
It’s the 2nd in 3 now
The club have no stability and will not be winning the big trophies again unless they spend big/get a top man in charge and he is at an age where he can’t sit still
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Whose said that if they don’t get CL then they’ll leave before the season has ended?

Can you imagine Eriksen for example coming out and saying he’d leave if we don’t get CL? It would be crazy to admit that even if it was true. Nothing to do with Spurs or Chelsea, just common sense isn’t it? What’s to be gained in telling the truth in that situation?

I reckon Real would be all over Hazard wouldn’t they? Ronaldo getting on and Bale out of favor.
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They can sell Bale to United for enough money to buy hazard

They will then also get Neymar
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Whose said that if they don’t get CL then they’ll leave before the season has ended?

Can you imagine Eriksen for example coming out and saying he’d leave if we don’t get CL? It would be crazy to admit that even if it was true. Nothing to do with Spurs or Chelsea, just common sense isn’t it? What’s to be gained in telling the truth in that situation?

I reckon Real would be all over Hazard wouldn’t they? Ronaldo getting on and Bale out of favor.
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Not specifically talking about CL - just any players whoare linked away from Spurs because we haven’t won anything and it’s always ‘media bs’ because Kane,Dier,Dele and whoever else have all said how happy they are at Spurs. But one of our rivals players say they’re happy despite potentially not qualifying for CL and it’s just because they had to. Heaven forbid Hazard could actually be telling the truth and he’s actually happy at a club he’s won everything with....
 
Libero said:
That is one view, if however you look at the performances rather than just results we did scrape in based on the last 5 weeks. If you can sit there and say that we didn't then you must have watched something very,very different since April 1st and I would imagine that most people would accept that to be the case regardless of points total in that period or time in the top 4.

The end result whether 3rd or 4th is a wonderful achievement, who would actually dispute that? All anyone is saying is that despite how wonderful that is, we very nearly got to a point of throwing it away which should not happen from the position we put ourselves in by beating Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. We have scraped it because when put under pressure by Chelsea's results we have either lost or we have performed poorly and been fortunate to secure the points we have or we have lost before Chelsea have played giving them that incentive.........We still don't react well when asked a question and that is why we have just stumbled over the line in the end. That is something that needs to change and quickly or we will experience more and more disappointment and let down in the biggest games. That all being said, it doesn't detract from the fact we have gained a position in the top 4 despite our obvious handicap of no home ground and that should be applauded.
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Different optics as you suggest. I think if we’d been hovering in or around 4th, maybe dropping in/out and then made it through by a point or something then I’d say we scraped through.
I acknowledged the bad performances/results in my post. Fortunately we had enough of a buffer from earlier good performances/results to mean we didn’t have to rely on scraping through. It could have gone very wrong, of course. But it didn’t.
I didn’t intend to imply that anyone who does think we stumbled across the line is not proud of the achievement. Rather that the terminology of stumbling etc didn’t (imo) fairly reflect that achievement.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But it’s not one season
It’s the 2nd in 3 now
The club have no stability and will not be winning the big trophies again unless they spend big/get a top man in charge and he is at an age where he can’t sit still
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They’ve never had any stability since he’s arrived, that’s not Chelsea’s model and they still manage to win trophies. When they have a poor season they tend to do well in the next one as I’m sure he’s aware, so I doubt he’s in desperate need to leave. Like I say, all depends who seriously comes in for him. If Real Madrid do then I can see him leaving hut they’re linked with everyone so who knows who their actual targets are....
 
harr1984 said:
They’ve never had any stability since he’s arrived, that’s not Chelsea’s model and they still manage to win trophies. When they have a poor season they tend to do well in the next one as I’m sure he’s aware, so I doubt he’s in desperate need to leave. Like I say, all depends who seriously comes in for him. If Real Madrid do then I can see him leaving hut they’re linked with everyone so who knows who their actual targets are....
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They do tend to bounce back
But they also used to spend money
Their now only spending what they bring in and need a lot of signings
Roman isn’t throwing money at things anymore as there are now bigger fish in the pond
 
Libero said:
Its about all those factors tbh and I think it extended to more than a few twitchy supporters. A large portion of us have seen that sort of thing before and we allowed them to put pressure on us with those defeats against WBA and Emirates Marketing Project. The poor performances started at Stoke where we were so fortunate to win, not as a result of the Cup semi.....by then we had already played two matches where we had been rubbish quite frankly......the semi defeat just added to the pressure.
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Well personally i never saw an outside narrative being built that Chelsea were breathing down our necks and we were struggling because of that - as you point out we've seen this kind of thing happen before with Spurs and that's probably why some supporters were worried and building it up to be something more than it was - it got closer than we would have liked but we remained clear favourites at every stage to see it through, no need to revel in the negativity of the last few weeks when we've just won a game to secure CL for next season and put third place back in our own hands - last weekend it was the end of the world because we missed the chance to do that afterall
 
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