Mourinho couldn't win the conference league and that's weaker
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Ange in or out?
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Mourinho couldn't win the conference league and that's weaker
mudshark
Justin Edinburgh
I appreciate I'm probably in a fairly small minority (possibly alone on here), but he has managed to kill my interest to the point where I genuinely don't care one way or another about the final (and I've tried). As little as a year ago, I wouldn't have believed you if you'd told me that.
Even if we do manage to squeak past Man Utd somehow — which I would doubt, even were I as positive a person as some of you, and for reasons I hardly need elaborate on (Rapazes, é o Tottenham) — it will be completely hollow for me. It's now a devalued competition for a start, largely filled with mediocrity, the final of which will be contested by two teams 16th and 17th in their domestic league, so attempts to draw comparison with past glories leave me rather cold.
I will watch the game as dispassionately as I did the one on Sunday (the first time I've ever left a game early in the 52 years since my first attendance, sitting on my uncle's shoulders in the Park Lane), and just as I have done the vast majority of our games this season. At the final whistle, I'll feel nothing, regardless of the outcome. Literally the only thing I want to hear is that he is finally gone.
Even if we do manage to squeak past Man Utd somehow — which I would doubt, even were I as positive a person as some of you, and for reasons I hardly need elaborate on (Rapazes, é o Tottenham) — it will be completely hollow for me. It's now a devalued competition for a start, largely filled with mediocrity, the final of which will be contested by two teams 16th and 17th in their domestic league, so attempts to draw comparison with past glories leave me rather cold.
I will watch the game as dispassionately as I did the one on Sunday (the first time I've ever left a game early in the 52 years since my first attendance, sitting on my uncle's shoulders in the Park Lane), and just as I have done the vast majority of our games this season. At the final whistle, I'll feel nothing, regardless of the outcome. Literally the only thing I want to hear is that he is finally gone.
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Come on you know the point being made, a bad season is a bad season quickly forgotten about unless there are long lasting repercussions - a cup win will always be remembered as an iconic moment.
Muttley
Eidur Gudjohnsen
It's an interesting place we find ourselves at. I would guess the majority of fans want 2 things. Win the EL and then move on to a new manager for next season. Good on Spurs leadership team for not accepting a EL final (hopefully a win) and 17th place as a reason to continue with Ange. They've shown him a very credible amount of patience to find consistency and get results with an expensively assembled squad. He hasn't passed the litmus test over 100 games in charge so should get his P45 for his underwhelming performance.
What I do feel is that winning or losing the final should not make one single bit of difference to Ange's future. We've got 100 games worth of data points at this point in time. The decision should be done at this stage, but clearly non-disclosure to a very few senior Spurs folks. If that is not the case, then we still have a problem with football operations at Spurs.
I'm feeling calm about Ange's future. I can't say the same thing about the final though.
What I do feel is that winning or losing the final should not make one single bit of difference to Ange's future. We've got 100 games worth of data points at this point in time. The decision should be done at this stage, but clearly non-disclosure to a very few senior Spurs folks. If that is not the case, then we still have a problem with football operations at Spurs.
I'm feeling calm about Ange's future. I can't say the same thing about the final though.
That why spurs fans love graham and ramos so much?
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
Well to be honest the chat in this thread really does take the shine off it for me partly. I will not enjoy the success if it comes nearly as much as if say Poch had won something where we all felt like we were pulling in the same direction. This guy is just given a completely free pass by some and I'm unsure why. Earlier it was "when all the players come back we will climb the table". After the players came back and things actually got worse, it's "don't worry, he's thrown the league, it's all part of the master plan to win the Europa league "
I think we look back on those teams well? Especially Ramos' given the opponents in semi's & final - the league form of the time doesn't overshadow the cup wins imv
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
We put 26 points on the board in the first 10 games of last season. We then proceeded to win only 12 of the remaining 28 fixtures, losing 12. So the form slid massively off the rails and it felt very much like we limped into 5th and there were clearly evident problems with the team set up that had begun to be regularly and ruthlessly exploited by opponents and that I like many had hoped would be rectified over the summer and in pre-season, but the problems continued; we had a poor start and it's just got worse from there. We've had almost 2 years of consistent decline under this coach....
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
Was at the man in a raincoat final ...was literally one of the worst games of football I've ever witnessed. Wanted to stab my eyes out ....admittedly it's a bit of a blur I kind of only remember the ball coming in and nielsen just seemed to come from nowhere (at least that's how it remember it). The one bit of quality in the match ....then pandemonium
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
I feel this way too. I'm not excited about the final. A trophy, is just a pot at the end of the day, that's awarded to the club and goes in their cabinet. Moments make football, togetherness makes being a football supporter worthwhile. This guy has as you say killed it for me. I just cannot get behind this guy, who holds us in complete contempt might I add - per several evidences of his behaviour towards us this season - winning this trophy. Will feel like an Ange victory, not a spurs victory, it will be a 2 finger salute from Ange to us and the club, hopefully before he f*cks off elsewhere....i will also be watching the final on my own in the house kind of actually indifferent to the result and if the wife or one of the kids wants me to do something for them, I'll gladly oblige. I feel zero emotional attachment to this game.
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stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Mate, that’s pretty damn heartbreaking to read.
I only hope that as soon as the triumphantly returning Bergvall bangs one in from 35yrds in the first 5 mins you’re up in the air, arms aloft and singing the songs of the club that you know, deep down, you’ll never not be able to love and root for.
tommysvr
Edgar Davids
Everyone one of them bar Conte had a chance to win the Europa League or the Conference League. Guess what? None of them did. Most of the time we were knocked out by teams that people believe(d) we should have beaten: https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/threads/brennan-johnson.11750/page-65#post-1913415
All of them prioritised the league of it and the cups. And we finished 4th a few times, had a couple of incredible Champions League runs and...where are we now? The perennial "yeah but you don't win anything" team.
So we've taken the other approach this year. If we win next Wednesday, that'll mean far more to me than any other match in my Spurs-watching life.
tommysvr
Edgar Davids
There it is!! Finally someone admitting why!
RigorMortis
Ben Thatcher
We haven’t taken the other approach.
Our league form is down to the ineptitude of our manager and not some preordained plan.
It’s very simple, as you said it will be an amazing day if we win the Europa league.
Does it mean Ange is a complement manager, absolutely not but thank you very much for his part and wish him well as he rides off into the sunset
metalgear
Colin Calderwood
i am looking beyond ange and angry at levy for not pulling the trigger earlier.
long term i am also wondering if the injuries to the players have further detrimental effects due to ange insisting on crazy running instead of tactical smarts.
i also don't think the younger players have improved their craft, aside from exposure to games. they are learning on their own but ange hasn't really found or developed their superpower
long term i am also wondering if the injuries to the players have further detrimental effects due to ange insisting on crazy running instead of tactical smarts.
i also don't think the younger players have improved their craft, aside from exposure to games. they are learning on their own but ange hasn't really found or developed their superpower
Bishop
Pedro Mendes
The risk is you miss the chance to bring in the best option if you try to do it mid season. If we are going to sack him next season anyway (and that feels likely given his intransigence) then it would be better do it in the summer to allow whomever the new guy is a preseason to bed in their play style and potentially get additions that suit their play style. Leaving the decision until November might well waste yet another season.
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
The comparison has been made to Man Utd and Ten Hag. ETH had a sh*t league season but won a trophy, so they decided to give him another year. They declined further this season and he was sacked. Amorin didn't want to come mid season but they eventually convinced him. Who knows if he was their first choice or if they just went with the first person who eventually said yes to mid season. Anyway, it's hard to come in and turn it around with someone else's squad from the cold. And he's struggled so much there's speculation that he might be fired if he doesn't win the Europa....
veryoldspur
John Gorman
CL top tier, EL mid tier. Conference bottom tier. What is there not to understand?
Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
CL = Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax, Porto etc
EL = Frankfurt, AZ, Bilbao, Bolo, Qarabag
ConL = Astana, Shamrock, Betis, Djurgarden
European competition you're pitted against the relevant quality. In FA Cup and League Cup, you are going to have to play a top tier team at least once to win them.
Not belittling the achievement of getting to the final and perhaps winning it, but ultimately you have to assess what we've achieved this season in context of "are we going forwards" or "are we going backwards". The answer (irrelevant of result in the final) is that we are going backwards fast and any further slide next season we are in the championship. That's an indisputable fact when you're 17th with x2 games to go and are only one of 4 teams to lose 20 games and 3 of them have been relegated.
fernadez
Simon Davies
I've got tickets and still haven't sorted out travel.
I love my club I just don't enjoy watching them.