Ange in or out?

[billyiddo]

Pick any out of

Ramos
Redknapp
Jol
AVB
Poch
Mourinho
Conte

And tell me you think none of them would've been capable of winning this tournament as it is now.

Winning the Europa Cup now is easier than winning the league cup / fa cup

Mourinho couldn't win the conference league and that's weaker

 

[mudshark]

I appreciate I'm probably in a fairly small minority (possibly alone on here), but he has managed to kill my interest to the point where I genuinely don't care one way or another about the final (and I've tried). As little as a year ago, I wouldn't have believed you if you'd told me that.

Even if we do manage to squeak past Man Utd somehow — which I would doubt, even were I as positive a person as some of you, and for reasons I hardly need elaborate on (Rapazes, é o Tottenham) — it will be completely hollow for me. It's now a devalued competition for a start, largely filled with mediocrity, the final of which will be contested by two teams 16th and 17th in their domestic league, so attempts to draw comparison with past glories leave me rather cold.

I will watch the game as dispassionately as I did the one on Sunday (the first time I've ever left a game early in the 52 years since my first attendance, sitting on my uncle's shoulders in the Park Lane), and just as I have done the vast majority of our games this season. At the final whistle, I'll feel nothing, regardless of the outcome. Literally the only thing I want to hear is that he is finally gone.

 

[billyiddo]

Remembering something that happened before you were born is difficult. I'll give you that.

Come on you know the point being made, a bad season is a bad season quickly forgotten about unless there are long lasting repercussions - a cup win will always be remembered as an iconic moment.

 

[Muttley]

It's an interesting place we find ourselves at. I would guess the majority of fans want 2 things. Win the EL and then move on to a new manager for next season. Good on Spurs leadership team for not accepting a EL final (hopefully a win) and 17th place as a reason to continue with Ange. They've shown him a very credible amount of patience to find consistency and get results with an expensively assembled squad. He hasn't passed the litmus test over 100 games in charge so should get his P45 for his underwhelming performance.

What I do feel is that winning or losing the final should not make one single bit of difference to Ange's future. We've got 100 games worth of data points at this point in time. The decision should be done at this stage, but clearly non-disclosure to a very few senior Spurs folks. If that is not the case, then we still have a problem with football operations at Spurs.

I'm feeling calm about Ange's future. I can't say the same thing about the final though.

 

[Lilbaz]

Come on you know the point being made, a bad season is a bad season quickly forgotten about unless there are long lasting repercussions - a cup win will always be remembered as an iconic moment.

That why spurs fans love graham and ramos so much?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I think you need your head examined if you don't think that winning a european trophy is a great achievement.

Giving this guy another season (if we win the Europa) would be giving a manager a third season who delivered Europa league football in his first season and champions league football with a Europa League trophy in his second.

I can't help but think that there are people on here who are actually hoping that we lose next Wednesday.

Well to be honest the chat in this thread really does take the shine off it for me partly. I will not enjoy the success if it comes nearly as much as if say Poch had won something where we all felt like we were pulling in the same direction. This guy is just given a completely free pass by some and I'm unsure why. Earlier it was "when all the players come back we will climb the table". After the players came back and things actually got worse, it's "don't worry, he's thrown the league, it's all part of the master plan to win the Europa league "

 

[billyiddo]

That why spurs fans love graham and ramos so much?

I think we look back on those teams well? Especially Ramos' given the opponents in semi's & final - the league form of the time doesn't overshadow the cup wins imv

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

No we didn't throw the league last season. We finished 5th. A very good finish for what Ange inherited.

This season we had tons of injuries and then when the injured players came back, we prioritised winning the Europa over a midtable finish. If that pays off and we win the competition then that will be great for the club. We will have done something very rare indeed under these owners and won a trophy.

We put 26 points on the board in the first 10 games of last season. We then proceeded to win only 12 of the remaining 28 fixtures, losing 12. So the form slid massively off the rails and it felt very much like we limped into 5th and there were clearly evident problems with the team set up that had begun to be regularly and ruthlessly exploited by opponents and that I like many had hoped would be rectified over the summer and in pre-season, but the problems continued; we had a poor start and it's just got worse from there. We've had almost 2 years of consistent decline under this coach....

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I think we look back on those teams well? Especially Ramos' given the opponents in semi's & final - the league form of the time doesn't overshadow the cup wins imv

Was at the man in a raincoat final ...was literally one of the worst games of football I've ever witnessed. Wanted to stab my eyes out ....admittedly it's a bit of a blur I kind of only remember the ball coming in and nielsen just seemed to come from nowhere (at least that's how it remember it). The one bit of quality in the match ....then pandemonium

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I appreciate I'm probably in a fairly small minority (possibly alone on here), but he has managed to kill my interest to the point where I genuinely don't care one way or another about the final (and I've tried). As little as a year ago, I wouldn't have believed you if you'd told me that.

Even if we do manage to squeak past Man Utd somehow — which I would doubt, even were I as positive a person as some of you, and for reasons I hardly need elaborate on (Rapazes, é o Tottenham) — it will be completely hollow for me. It's now a devalued competition for a start, largely filled with mediocrity, the final of which will be contested by two teams 16th and 17th in their domestic league, so attempts to draw comparison with past glories leave me rather cold.

I will watch the game as dispassionately as I did the one on Sunday (the first time I've ever left a game early in the 52 years since my first attendance, sitting on my uncle's shoulders in the Park Lane), and just as I have done the vast majority of our games this season. At the final whistle, I'll feel nothing, regardless of the outcome. Literally the only thing I want to hear is that he is finally gone.

I feel this way too. I'm not excited about the final. A trophy, is just a pot at the end of the day, that's awarded to the club and goes in their cabinet. Moments make football, togetherness makes being a football supporter worthwhile. This guy has as you say killed it for me. I just cannot get behind this guy, who holds us in complete contempt might I add - per several evidences of his behaviour towards us this season - winning this trophy. Will feel like an Ange victory, not a spurs victory, it will be a 2 finger salute from Ange to us and the club, hopefully before he f*cks off elsewhere....i will also be watching the final on my own in the house kind of actually indifferent to the result and if the wife or one of the kids wants me to do something for them, I'll gladly oblige. I feel zero emotional attachment to this game.

 

[stinkfoot]

I appreciate I'm probably in a fairly small minority (possibly alone on here), but he has managed to kill my interest to the point where I genuinely don't care one way or another about the final (and I've tried). As little as a year ago, I wouldn't have believed you if you'd told me that.

Even if we do manage to squeak past Man Utd somehow — which I would doubt, even were I as positive a person as some of you, and for reasons I hardly need elaborate on (Rapazes, é o Tottenham) — it will be completely hollow for me. It's now a devalued competition for a start, largely filled with mediocrity, the final of which will be contested by two teams 16th and 17th in their domestic league, so attempts to draw comparison with past glories leave me rather cold.

I will watch the game as dispassionately as I did the one on Sunday (the first time I've ever left a game early in the 52 years since my first attendance, sitting on my uncle's shoulders in the Park Lane), and just as I have done the vast majority of our games this season. At the final whistle, I'll feel nothing, regardless of the outcome. Literally the only thing I want to hear is that he is finally gone.

Mate, that’s pretty damn heartbreaking to read.

I only hope that as soon as the triumphantly returning Bergvall bangs one in from 35yrds in the first 5 mins you’re up in the air, arms aloft and singing the songs of the club that you know, deep down, you’ll never not be able to love and root for.