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Gutter Boy said:
Liverpool were even more dominant through the 70s and 80s than United were through the 90s and 00s. All empires fall.
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The big difference here is money. Man Utd's commercial income is so massive that it allows them to pay the highest transfer fees and wages. Their training kit sponsorship is probably the 7th or 8th biggest shirt sponsorship deal in the whole league. Their training ground sponsorship deal is bigger than most club's stadium sponsorships, their secondary sponsorship deals ('official lager/tyres/insurance/airline/condom) are all bigger than many club's main club sponsorship deal. That same vastly elevated income didn't really exist for Liverpool at the point at which they fell from grace.

Man Utd were very fortunate in that their period of massive success coincided with the era of the Premier League, Sky and English football booming in terms of popularity across the World. As the most successful club it was Man Utd who picked up a massive slice of the overseas fans (and indeed the glory hunters from the UK as well) thus ensuring themselves those massive sponsorship deals. It would take a reasonably prolongued period of mismanagement for Man Utd to fall from grace - and remember that they won the FA Cup in 2016 and the League Cup and Europa League in 2017 - so even while falling from grace they have still maintained success.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Liverpool were even more dominant through the 70s and 80s than United were through the 90s and 00s. All empires fall.
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Different game then than it is now, Liverpool missed out on being the dominant force when the money rolled in and so have always been playing catch up, like ourselves. It will take a hell of a lot of misfortune over a prolonged period of time for United to properly slip away
 
Gutter Boy said:
Liverpool were even more dominant through the 70s and 80s than United were through the 90s and 00s. All empires fall.
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Yeah they might not be consistently dominant, our league is too competitive for any team to be at the moment - but they will almost always be challengers and pick up trophies along the way. They just have too much £££
 
Finney Is Back said:
.... and remember that they won the FA Cup in 2016 and the League Cup and Europa League in 2017 - so even while falling from grace they have still maintained success.
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I would love for us to one day consider winning those two trophies as 'falling from grace', tbh. Same thing goes for A*se - we laugh at them, and rightfully so in many ways - but three FA Cups in four years while also finishing runners-up (like we did last year) is an indication of how different our measures of success truly are.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I would love for us to one day consider winning those two trophies as 'falling from grace', tbh. Same thing goes for A*se - we laugh at them, and rightfully so in many ways - but three FA Cups in four years while also finishing runners-up (like we did last year) is an indication of how different our measures of success truly are.
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Well we do agree on this point ;), it seems nowadays success is based on how often you can finish in the top four not what you win.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I would love for us to one day consider winning those two trophies as 'falling from grace', tbh. Same thing goes for A*se - we laugh at them, and rightfully so in many ways - but three FA Cups in four years while also finishing runners-up (like we did last year) is an indication of how different our measures of success truly are.
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It's context, finishing 2nd spending little to no money is more of a success for us than spending over £200m to win league cup and Europa league and finish 6th I'm the league is for man Utd.
 
glasgowspur said:
It's context, finishing 2nd spending little to no money is more of a success for us than spending over £200m to win league cup and Europa league and finish 6th I'm the league is for man Utd.
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Doesn't particularly matter, though - in the long run ,over our history, we don't tally up how much we saved on one fee or another or how much we scrimped on wages and then award ourselves a trophy for it. Trophies are remembered - circumstances less so, and how much a team spent or saved even less so. When we made Greaves the first 99,999-pound player in British football, I have no doubt that we were spending much more than other teams. Doesn't matter, because we don't remember that now as much as we remember his goals, the trophies he won and the legend he forged at the club.

Danishfurniturelover said:
Onomah motherfcukers this thread is about Onomah
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Wasn't great against Roma.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Doesn't particularly matter, though - in the long run ,over our history, we don't tally up how much we saved on one fee or another or how much we scrimped on wages and then award ourselves a trophy for it. Trophies are remembered - circumstances less so, and how much a team spent or saved even less so. When we made Greaves the first 99,999-pound player in British football, I have no doubt that we were spending much more than other teams. Doesn't matter, because we don't remember that now as much as we remember his goals, the trophies he won and the legend he forged at the club.



Wasn't great against Roma.
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It comes back to the here and now, we don't have £200m to throw around in the hope it will win us trophies (and there's gaurntees it will), man Utd do.
At the moment that's the position we are in and we are punching above our weight on and off the pitch.
 
glasgowspur said:
It comes back to the here and now, we don't have £200m to throw around in the hope it will win us trophies (and there's gaurntees it will), man Utd do.
At the moment that's the position we are in and we are punching above our weight on and off the pitch.
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Agreed. But I would love to be in the position where finishing with two or more trophies at the end of the year is considered less than ideal, is all. Right now it's the dream amidst sixteen mostly barren years - if it's so routine that winning trophies doesn't prevent disappointment in the way the season will have gone, that's tremendous forward movement, in my eyes.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Agreed. But I would love to be in the position where finishing with two or more trophies at the end of the year is considered less than ideal, is all. Right now it's the dream amidst sixteen mostly barren years - if it's so routine that winning trophies doesn't prevent disappointment in the way the season will have gone, that's tremendous forward movement, in my eyes.
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So would I.

Consider how LVG was reported at man u. All that money wasted on an F A cup, big deal.

Jose comes along, nothing changes style wise but even more money spent just to add a EL trophy and suddenly it's a good year.
If we had spent what Utd had spent and had their season poch, levy and pogba would be getting letters from all and sundry.
 
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