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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
GOT? Yeah, they seem to be calling us a 'model' for their own development, more than anything. Where they want to be in a few years, etcetera.
Thing is, I'm not entirely sure we're the appropriate model for them. If they have access to Usmanov and Moshiri's cash, then they don't need to build the way we did - they can just plonk 200m down over the next window or two and get a good side up and running. And, alternately, if Moshiri and Usmanov *can't* fund them as much, then it's a hard ask for them to replicate what we have given that they're based in Liverpool (as opposed to having the London card to draw players with), can't charge ticket prices as high as we can and haven't yet fully started work on a new ground or a Goodison expansion.
They already pay their top players (Lukaku, Schneiderlin) more than we do. I think they're evolving in a fundamentally different way, even though there are some surface similarities (core of young talent in Holgate, Barkley, Davies and co. supplemented by solid players in Lukaku, Gueye, Coleman and Schneiderlin).
I wouldn't mind us snatching Barkley off of them in the summer, if we're in need of a midfielder then and someone like Tielemans or Dahoud can't be gotten at. Delay their progress a bit.
I think the likelihood of throwing down 200mil in a single window for Everton (and previously us) is that you'll get only players going for the money. Will get overcharged for 2nd tier players and may decrease the gap, and possibly jump to 6th.
Top top player will go to one of the money clubs
Player who cant get a game at a top club and wants more playing time (ISCO) is more likely to come to us, or pool
They are only going to get the discarded remains that the top 6 dont want unfortunately Schneiderlin being a perfect example. They are going to build like we did, picking up 15-25mil players and keeping 1 in 4, trying not to get stung in the process
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
We switched off for the 2nd goal agreed but I could name 5-10 games from last season and this season where we dominated the game but poor finishing cost us.
so could every other team in the league id imagine
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
I was responding to Brain who claimed we had been unlucky not to win trophies, my response was our poor finishing has cost us not bad luck. I'd be willing to bet we have created the most chances of any team in the league since the start of 2015/16.
FatBloke
Jose Dominguez
Hopefully Barney Ronay has a wipe-clean keyboard. But seriously, can you imagine Wanyama reading that while tucking into his breakfast spaghetti? Or Walker taking a ribbing on the training pitch for his oversized arms? That sort of thing goes some way to balancing out the negative crap on here and other message boards.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Agreed. We're making gradual improvements. The things we need to do to really improve as a club now:
1) Finishing in the CL twice or more in a row
2) Win a trophy. Of any description. League cup at least, something better if possible.
3) Break the 80 point level. For decades, we've been a cup team. Let's get back tp being a force in the league.
4) A good European run. Europa league/ Champions league. Again I don't care. That's how you get recognition across the continent. Not finishing top 4 every once in a while or even a few seasons in a row. Going deep in Europe. Big ties against top teams where you come out on top.
5) Improve both performances and results away against the other top teams.
6) Obviously new stadium as well.
That's what I'm looking for over the next 4-5 seasons.
The improvement we've made over the past 10 years or so has been insane. Even more so if you say the past 15 years. Now let's move onto the next level with that.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Indeed, agree 100%. This is exactly how I think as well. I hope we can manage it.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Oh I agree 100%. I want this team to win a trophy. I was talking to a Man Utd fan a few days ago and he pointed out (in a non dingdongish way) that this team, in perhaps their worst run as a club for what? a couple of decades, that they have won more trophies in the past 12 months than we have in the past 12 years.
Fatbloke has mentioned that swashbuckling Saudi Sportswashing Machine team. Or even the Leeds team. Or on a higher level, Bayer Leverkusen in 2001. From treble to nothing in a few weeks.
I don't want us to look back and see that. We may kick on from this and stay a force in the league or become even better in the league (which is what I think and hope will happen). Or this may be the best that this team achieves, we'll end up having to sell the top players, Poch leaves and we are laden with humungous debt from the stadium. Who knows?
Either way, I want this team to win a trophy. They will want to win a trophy. We need to make it happen.
wasn't he responding to your post saying that yesterday was a prime example as to why we wont win the league? we give away sloppy goals and don't take enough of our chances? If so then my point still stands - every team does that, including the title winners - it's no indication that we cant succeed with this team.
whereas we saw with Leicester last year and Chelsea this year that having no European football has a real positive effect on a sides performance, and to a lesser degree you could use Liverpool's 2nd place season as evidence too. Id say that is having a bigger effect on Chelsea than our supposed profligacy is having on us
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Well then I disagree. Not saying having no European football to worry about isn't an advantage because it clearly is, but I don't think we racked up as many points last season as we should have due to the amount of times we didn't put teams away despite being the better team in most games. Chelsea have been better than us but I don't see them batter teams and create chance after chance like we do, themselves and Leicester are and were more clinical than we needed to be.
Hashegotthesackyet?
Alan Hutton
Profligacy = the new Turgid (definitions apart)
i cant really say about Chelsea because i don't watch their games outside of the odd highlight here and there which doesn't give enough of a reflection of the games to know how clinical they are - do you watch their games each week? because if you don't im not sure you can say so either. (that's not a dig btw just don't think a comparison can be made unless someone has seen enough of both teams to compare)
Leicester is a funny one - there's a stat called expected goals which weighs chances created v quality of chance and gives you an indicator of how many goals you 'should' be scoring - Leicester (and West Ham) FAR exceeded what is was expected of them last season in terms of chances scored, it was a bit of a freak season in regards to clinicality and this season they have had to come to terms with that being a one off, which in a way kind of backs up BoL unlucky argument - the season we were better than everyone else a team came from nowhere and had a freak season scoring every chance they had to deny us the title and now they have slipped back to obscurity - it's like the planets aligned to stop us from winning the league
Hi, new on this site, and couldn't help myself from posting on this subject. I am going to be very honest and say that unlike some people I don't think Poch is the GHod some others do. I believe he is a reasonable manager with a very good team. Tactically he makes to many howlers, the players are not continually motivated, and he has made some dreadful signings. That said, I appreciate he is still learning, and is likely to get better, but I for one am not convinced as yet
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Your obviously easily pleased. Oh, any ideas how I can stop emails every time somebody posts on a thread I have posted on ?
metalgear
Nayim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ptability-shows-just-far-behind-arsenal-have/
Bull article is pretty good
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Bull article is pretty good
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Robspur12
John Lacy
We dominated them and never seriously looked like losing the game despite their 2 goals. Everton are top 7 side who were unbeaten in 9 games. I actually expected us to draw. As it was the win was pretty comfortable.
We have hammered sides at the Lane and beaten both City and Chelsea without conceding. How you can see yesterday's result in a negative light is extraordinary.
Now if you want to make your case about us falling short citing our away form especially at the top 6 then I believe that is valid.
If I was your friend, I would be very concerned (and certainly not using it as a bragging point), United has been in free fall since SAF left, and despite throwing around more money than Charlie Sheen in a brothel, the fall continues, the odd grab of a domestic cup does not change that.
- They have gone from yearly PL & all domestic cup winners (or close runner ups), CL regulars (and occasional winner)
to?
- Non CL, nowhere near PL challenging and the odd league cup win (gained mostly by being one of few top sides to field close to full strength team)
Fact is, Spurs is better run, gets better results for the money spent and is more consistent than United, City, Pool, Chelsea, Everton. Combination of Levy & Poch
We simply can't deny that part of success is linked to money spent. Said it before, put a De Bruyne, Bale, Sanchez (sorry) type player in this team and we would likely walk the title, we are that close.
I would agree, and perhaps we will see it now, a commitment to a cup run with a strong side could help bring some silverware home.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
We are much better run than them and most other clubs in the league.
But let's not go into hyperbole here. Man Utd missed out on the CL last season on gd. They are 3 and 7 points off 4th and 2nd, with a game in hand. I wouldn't want to make any predictions for the league yet. They are rightly favourites for the EL.
And his point was the difference in expectations and that they are continuing to win trophies despite one of their worst runs in a looong time.
Just like Bayern or Barcelona or Juventus, they have too much money and prestige to fall away. Its a matter of when, not if. We just need to carry on doing what we're doing however.