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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

I think (hope) we've got another season or two before we really have to worry. I think the big European clubs will be keeping a watch on him and will have him in their sights for the future but not now.
Having said that I do (perhaps naively) believe Poch when he speaks of building a legacy with us and think he'll be around for a good while longer. Newells Old Boys and Argentina are his stated managerial ambitions - when he starts getting linked in that direction is when we need to start worrying.
 
Not sure why Pochettino is being linked with big clubs like Barcelona whenever there is a managerial vacancy. He may have transformed us into title challengers but he still has not won any major trophies as manager. He still needs to learn more as manager. Frankly, I think he will be a failure if he goes to big clubs like Barcelona where the pressure of expectations are much higher than Spurs.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Not sure why Pochettino is being linked with big clubs like Barcelona whenever there is a managerial vacancy. He may have transformed us into title challengers but he still has not won any major trophies as manager. He still needs to learn more as manager. Frankly, I think he will be a failure if he goes to big clubs like Barcelona where the pressure of expectations are much higher than Spurs.
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Louis Enrique, guardiola etc didn't have a patch on poch when they started if he was to move on right now.

Give poch the barca team and he would walk this league.

I'm sure there are better managers out there but deserves our full backing and acknowledgement. Under his tenure he has raised or expectations no matter how false they are in reality.

We are punching well above our weight.
 
Gonna be really sad if we don't win a title with this team. Seems we come up against circumstance (Leceister, or Chelsea having no Europe and no injuries to contend with) but I think we've been the best and most dominant, consistent team playing the best football over the last couple of years. We deserve something for it.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Gonna be really sad if we don't win a title with this team. Seems we come up against circumstance (Leceister, or Chelsea having no Europe and no injuries to contend with) but I think we've been the best and most dominant, consistent team playing the best football over the last couple of years. We deserve something for it.
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We deserve what we get. And Leicester are not a circumstance, certainly not one we should be mentioning as a negative. Leicester were a godsend and we didn't take advantage.

I really do hope we win a trophy of any description with this team.
 
Hootnow said:
We deserve what we get. And Leicester are not a circumstance, certainly not one we should be mentioning as a negative. Leicester were a godsend and we didn't take advantage.

I really do hope we win a trophy of any description with this team.
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I don't think you really do get what you deserve to be honest. Factors like having no European football really do benefit teams. Luck with injuries does play a part. You could argue Chelsea have a deeper squad for example, but they haven't even needed one this year.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I don't think you really do get what you deserve to be honest. Factors like having no European football really do benefit teams. Luck with injuries does play a part. You could argue Chelsea have a deeper squad for example, but they haven't even needed one this year.
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Of course you do. We've not won a trophy in over 10 years now, we can't always blame that on luck.

Why have we never competed for the title all those seasons we've had no European football then? Other Than Leicester and Chelsea, all other title winners have come from those in the CL. And it's not like we've been racking up huge amounts of points and just falling short of teams with ridiculous number of points. We've still not broken through seventy two points. Once we get into thr eighties plus and still lose, then I'll start thinking about deserving and luck.

Yep, they haven't had too many injuries. However, they do have more cover than we do in case. I mean, going into the season with just Kane as a striker again for example was adding for trouble. And we got it when he got injured and an unproven Jansen had to deputise.
 
Hootnow said:
Of course you do. We've not won a trophy in over 10 years now, we can't always blame that on luck.

Why have we never competed for the title all those seasons we've had no European football then? Other Than Leicester and Chelsea, all other title winners have come from those in the CL. And it's not like we've been racking up huge amounts of points and just falling short of teams with ridiculous number of points. We've still not broken through seventy two points. Once we get into thr eighties plus and still lose, then I'll start thinking about deserving and luck.

Yep, they haven't had too many injuries. However, they do have more cover than we do in case. I mean, going into the season with just Kane as a striker again for example was adding for trouble. And we got it when he got injured and an unproven Jansen had to deputise.
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We didn't challenge for the title because we weren't good enough to go for the league. Now we are but another challenger has no Eurooe, and they're also good enough. All other things being equal, they've got a bit of an advantage.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
We didn't challenge for the title because we weren't good enough to go for the league. Now we are but another challenger has no Eurooe, and they're also good enough. All other things being equal, they've got a bit of an advantage.
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Well yep. But they've been indisputably the best team in the league this season, CL or no CL.

And tbh and I'm not trying to put us down, I think it's very likely that Chelsea will both finis above us next season and do better in the CL.

Like I said in another thread, we've played eight game more than them in seven months.

I'm sure it's a slight advantage but I don't think we'd be first right now if we'd finished ninth last season for example.
 
Hootnow said:
Well yep. But they've been indisputably the best team in the league this season, CL or no CL.

And tbh and I'm not trying to put us down, I think it's very likely that Chelsea will both finis above us next season and do better in the CL.

Like I said in another thread, we've played eight game more than them in seven months.

I'm sure it's a slight advantage but I don't think we'd be first right now if we'd finished ninth last season for example.
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How do you get to 'CL or no CL' though? Your dismissing the crux of my argument with that sentence.
 
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Just had a gander at the Everton board, very complimentary, massive contrast to the victims
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GOT? Yeah, they seem to be calling us a 'model' for their own development, more than anything. Where they want to be in a few years, etcetera.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure we're the appropriate model for them. If they have access to Usmanov and Moshiri's cash, then they don't need to build the way we did - they can just plonk 200m down over the next window or two and get a good side up and running. And, alternately, if Moshiri and Usmanov *can't* fund them as much, then it's a hard ask for them to replicate what we have given that they're based in Liverpool (as opposed to having the London card to draw players with), can't charge ticket prices as high as we can and haven't yet fully started work on a new ground or a Goodison expansion.

They already pay their top players (Lukaku, Schneiderlin) more than we do. I think they're evolving in a fundamentally different way, even though there are some surface similarities (core of young talent in Holgate, Barkley, Davies and co. supplemented by solid players in Lukaku, Gueye, Coleman and Schneiderlin).

I wouldn't mind us snatching Barkley off of them in the summer, if we're in need of a midfielder then and someone like Tielemans or Dahoud can't be gotten at. Delay their progress a bit. ;)
 
BrainOfLevy said:
How do you get to 'CL or no CL' though? Your dismissing the crux of my argument with that sentence.
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Because the crux of my argument is that Chelsea are a better team than us. That 8 games in 7 months has not made the difference of 10 points. And that until we actually get quite a bit beyond the 72 point mark, we can't in any way claim that we've been unlucky in the league.

We've not been getting 85 points and just missing out to a club who've had a bit more than us in the last few weeks because of a relative lack of games. We're not getting anywhere near the leaders.

We didn't deserve to win thr league last season and I don't think we deserve to win it this season so far either (if we end up above Chelsea someohow, we 100% will have deserved it).

We need to make a habit of winning and not using excuses for us not achieving what we want.
 
Hootnow said:
Because the crux of my argument is that Chelsea are a better team than us. That 8 games in 7 months has not made the difference of 10 points. And that until we actually get quite a bit beyond the 72 point mark, we can't in any way claim that we've been unlucky in the league.

We've not been getting 85 points and just missing out to a club who've had a bit more than us in the last few weeks because of a relative lack of games. We're not getting anywhere near the leaders.

We didn't deserve to win thr league last season and I don't think we deserve to win it this season so far either (if we end up above Chelsea someohow, we 100% will have deserved it).

We need to make a habit of winning and not using excuses for us not achieving what we want.
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We're getting there. Slowly.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Gonna be really sad if we don't win a title with this team. Seems we come up against circumstance (Leceister, or Chelsea having no Europe and no injuries to contend with) but I think we've been the best and most dominant, consistent team playing the best football over the last couple of years. We deserve something for it.
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Today was almost a prime example of why we didn't win anything last season and why we will fall short in the league this season. The game should have been wrapped up by half time and yet we were hanging on for the last 10 mins. It wasn't backs to the wall but we made it far harder than it should have been due to our wasteful finishing.

That aside, we can't handle the pressure when we get close enough to the leaders to overtake them, 4 times over the last 12 months or so we've not won games that would have put us top of the league I believe.

I would agree that we've played the best football but that doesn't mean you deserve to win the league, Chelsea have shown many times over the last 10 years.
 
I think all I'm saying guys is that it will be a shame if this team doesn't win anything....I'm not saying we have been rightful champions the last 2 years or anything like that, but I don't think it's unfair to say slightly different circumstance maybe would have seen us go a little closer. Pointing to European competition or lack thereof benefitting league form is hardly a new phenomenon.

As for yesterday being a prime example of anything, I don't agree. We switched off but still dominated the game against a really strong opponent. Plenty of top teams switch off occasionally. It happens, and if we weren't so caught up with Spurs we wouldn't see it as that drastic.
 
Hootnow said:
We've still not broken through seventy two points. Once we get into thr eighties plus and still lose, then I'll start thinking about deserving and luck.
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Hitting or breaking the 80 point barrier has to be an aim for this season. If we hit that milestone then it proves a few things:

1 - We've improved on last season where, in a poorer season for the CL regulars, we challenged for the title up to the last 4 games.
2 - We've qualified for the CL 2 years in a row
3 - We can have confidence that this team isn't a flash in the pan and is here to stay based on 2 years of solid, consistent performances.
4 - We have increased squad depth as we've handled CL football and injuries to the regular XI without a reduction in our points.

A renewed aim next season would be to break 80 points again. Doing this consistently over 3-4 years would make it extremely likely that we will win a title at some stage as we may slightly overperform our underlying metrics and hit something in the 88-90 point region which would be enough to win it.

The only cloud/sticking point could be playing in 3 different home venues in 3 years.
 
Remember the Saudi Sportswashing Machine team of the mid '90s? Of course you do. A valiant swashbuckling team that played exhilarating football but fell just short. Is that how Poch's side will be remembered? Better to be remembered fondly 20 years on than not at all -- who's going to be talking about the Arsenal sides of the last decade in 2030?

Unlike last season where Leicester were "everybody's second team", I don't think anyone outside west London* wants to see the Chelsea machine roll on to another title. If we can get close, perhaps we'll get some goodwill from the neutral fans**, [more] positive press write-ups, and so on, to give our young players a spring in their step as the season draws to a close.

Like this article in the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rry-kane-tottenham-hotspur-everton-top-scorer

I'd love it, LOVE IT if we beat that lot in blue.

* Apart from a few million glory-hunting fans in the Middle East, SE Asia, etc.
** Not counting Gooners and Hammers, of course, or fans of teams like Liverpool for whom our success will put a serious dent in their progress.
 
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