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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

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Raziel said:
Here's my gripe list (As this seems the designed thread)

- Grateful that Ange delivered a trophy (see other point), but there is no question he had to go
- Club probably knew it sometime in Jan, the new video with CEO & Levy lets it slip, 30 managerial candidates considered, wasn't done in 6 or 17 days.
- Ange was backed, some of those players, the expensive ones, were his (Maddison, Solanke, Gray, Johnson, those 4 players alone are in the 200M range)

I think the bigger picture (and this is the one that will drive the anti current ownership mad and probably derail the thread), the EL win could be argued as redefining when measuring the impact/success of ENIC

Story before EL win
- 25 years of ownership, massive improvements off the pitch (Stadium, Training Ground, Brand), established club as top 6 (after previous decade or so of mid table mediocrity), with success limited (single cup win in 2008) and side having peaked in 2019
Story after EL win
- 25 years of ownership, massive improvements off the pitch (Stadium, Training Ground, Brand), established club as top 6 (after previous decade or so of mid table mediocrity), 2 Cups wins including one in current season, which is just the 3rd European trophy in our history), two 2nd places in PL, CL runner up, now back in CL next season for the 6th time (5 in last 9 years)

And yes the PL performance was a mess (hence the Ange comments above), but it's a bit interesting how one win can almost redefine the story (depending how you want to look at it)
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Jordinho said:
It's not just Ange. So many of our fans are stuck in the past of not just what was, but all that could have been. Constantly recycling the same topics. We've never properly replaced any player we've sold and no manager has been sufficiently backed. Everything was just so much better then (insert season of choice).
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Seriously! that's part and parcel of what binds fans together- history. Be a pretty boring site if we didn't talk about history as long as it doesn't derail other discussion. On that point I completely agree with @thfcsteff .
 
Robspur12 said:
Seriously! that's part and parcel of what binds fans together- history. Be a pretty boring site if we didn't talk about history as long as it doesn't derail other discussion. On that point I completely agree with @thfcsteff .
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It's just the nitpicking of details that have been done to death. I just prefer looking forward, but it feels like a large part of the fan base is stuck in the past.
 
billyiddo said:
You can't discuss the new without there being talk of the old, at least in the immediacy
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A discussion is absolutely that. The rehashing of opinions which have not wavered from January 2025 (and earlier in some cases) is not discussion IMO, it is re-asserting some sort of 'I am right'...at the very least, it can provoke a response in the same cycle we've been in with Postecoglu the last 6 months.

Personally? Despite the fact I'd have gambled and gone with Postecoglu, I am moving on. What I wish was that people could acknowledge what he did as much as what he didn't, and stop denigrating the trophy we won; especially in non-Ange threads.
That's all.
If people want to bitch about him, wonderful, have at it, I personally don't want to open up unrelated threads and see them hijacked.

I'm going to add a poll at the top of this. Let's see what happens.
 
thfcsteff said:
A discussion is absolutely that. The rehashing of opinions which have not wavered from January 2025 (and earlier in some cases) is not discussion IMO, it is re-asserting some sort of 'I am right'...at the very least, it can provoke a response in the same cycle we've been in with Postecoglu the last 6 months.

Personally? Despite the fact I'd have gambled and gone with Postecoglu, I am moving on. What I wish was that people could acknowledge what he did as much as what he didn't, and stop denigrating the trophy we won; especially in non-Ange threads.
That's all.
If people want to bitch about him, wonderful, have at it, I personally don't want to open up unrelated threads and see them hijacked.

I'm going to add a poll at the top of this. Let's see what happens.
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People will struggle because it's both

- He achieved in some ways more than anyone could have reasonably expected, CL qualification and a major trophy. And all the things that come with that, monkey off the back, the emotion of fudging finally not having the football gods brick on us, the reset of club from what was starting to feel like a decline from a peak that was now 6+ years ago
- The league results, especially at home was unacceptable, unacceptable to the point that his job was not savable. While you may have played the take a gamble card, the concerns around blowing our spend on a manager that might not be there in October, plus the pool of available replacements would likely be significantly worse in October, all adds up to only one decision (if you are not a fan)

I still think in the long run, the decision will flatter (take it the right way) Ange, he gets to walk away on top, with exactly that question, was Spurs right to fire him? his reputation is improved not damaged (if I was him, my next quips would be how he did what Jose & Conte couldn't). Had he started next season and we continued to lose games at same rate, he'd have been gone by Oct/Dec with a lot worse perspective on his ability at this level.
 
Raziel said:
People will struggle because it's both

- He achieved in some ways more than anyone could have reasonably expected, CL qualification and a major trophy. And all the things that come with that, monkey off the back, the emotion of fudging finally not having the football gods brick on us, the reset of club from what was starting to feel like a decline from a peak that was now 6+ years ago
- The league results, especially at home was unacceptable, unacceptable to the point that his job was not savable. While you may have played the take a gamble card, the concerns around blowing our spend on a manager that might not be there in October, plus the pool of available replacements would likely be significantly worse in October, all adds up to only one decision (if you are not a fan)

I still think in the long run, the decision will flatter (take it the right way) Ange, he gets to walk away on top, with exactly that question, was Spurs right to fire him? his reputation is improved not damaged (if I was him, my next quips would be how he did what Jose & Conte couldn't). Had he started next season and we continued to lose games at same rate, he'd have been gone by Oct/Dec with a lot worse perspective on his ability at this level.
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For some.
Why can there not be an acceptance of everyone's differing views on this and a 'move on'?
Why is there this continual need in some quarters to 'explain' to others why the decision was right (or wrong for that matter)? NOBODY knows. It's unanswerable. There are only guesses and opinions. Which are wonderful, but they've all been shared!!!!!
 
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