90291Spur
Paul Walsh
Yes. But teams like Liverpool and Chelsea and Manure win trophies.
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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Bournemouth ***
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They have been yeah, they are also clubs that have been investing at a high level over a much longer period of time though in comparison to us - we're in our infancy in that regard
Bishop
Paul Stalteri
Our "crisis" season may end up better than Liverpool's and Chelsea", but conversely their successful seasons are far more successful than ours and a lot more often. Swings and roundabouts my friend.
I disagree that how and why are short term. They are part of the long term strategy of the club or at least should be. The model will say we spend relatively xxx in xxx circumstance. This should be ingrained as the operating model that influences all decisions. The immediate effect might be short term but with the medium and long term in mind.
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
Spoilt entitled clams okay I could maybe agree if the booing was very excessive as is being reported.
But other posters have been saying things like it was one of the worse experiences in their lives and one of the most shocking things in history etc.
That is a bit ott to say the least!
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Im clearly talking about the ones booing. Not the majority who didn’t and think it was really poor. So I stand by it. Anyone booing was acting like a spoilt entitled clam.
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
I’m not sure what you are getting at there. Maybe my post wasn’t clear but generally speaking I was agreeing with you and then I was making the additional point that the reaction from some posters on here that the booing was like a crime against humanity was a bit ott.
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
Our views are very different. Didn’t you say that Sanchez had “to be held accountable” and advocated for light booing? What would all that actually achieve?
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
Held accountable for years of unacceptable regression which has been magnified by multiple recent incidents of errors, failing to control the ball and doing a weird flying spinning rolly polly.
And held accountable by management I mean by throwing him out of the club for the above.
On the light booing, firstly I wouldn’t do that myself but I could understand if there was light booing one time when he next touches the ball after the error and one other occasion of light booing when he was subbed. That shouldn’t devastate a persons feelings and the nature of what I described should be enough to give him a gentle kick up the backside.
All moot though because apparently the booing was a lot more excessive than that. So I don't condone what happened although at the same time I don't think it was one of the most shocking things in history.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
How do you define 'light booing'?
Booing is booing. 5,000 people (figure pulled out of the air) booing "lightly" is going to sound loud.
No one is saying it's the most shocking thing in history. But in the context of yesterday's game, some of us are saying it's a clamy thing to do to one of our players.
(And I haven't even replaced the 'u' with a symbol, that's how annoyed I still feel about it today
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AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Who said this?
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
They really haven't
Booing picked up by audio, reporters, clearly the player is significant....its not the most horrendous thing at a game I've seen or heard it just makes those that did it and think it's ok very questionable IMO
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DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
So by lightly booing him, do you think he’s going to become a better player or play any better? If not, to what end does booing serve any purpose?
It’s embarrassing having our captain come out and have to comment on that and telling that he says it’s something he’s never seen before in his career. I hope Stellini plays Sanchez in the next few games as a two fingered salute to the nobheads. Season is gone as far as I’m concerned anyway.
To me Sanchez was just unfortunate to be the outlet for fans venting their frustration.
It could have easily have been Sess, Moura, Perisic, Dier or various others. He's not good enough, just like those others, but really the booing relates to the sorry state of chaos which they club is in.
Very sad to see the club that so many of us love being in such a dire state
It could have easily have been Sess, Moura, Perisic, Dier or various others. He's not good enough, just like those others, but really the booing relates to the sorry state of chaos which they club is in.
Very sad to see the club that so many of us love being in such a dire state
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
He's part of the problem - no one in that dressing room holds each other accountable, but they're happy to call out the fans who pay their wages.
That filters through - and eventually, fans decide that they will hold the players accountable if the players themselves do not.
Mind, I'm not excusing what happened. But I can see why it did. Every single motivator a group of football players should have to perform well has failed with this group - nothing even remotely bothers them about losing to anyone and everyone.
They don't care about professional pride, don't care about being laughed at by their opposition or schooled by the likes of Bournemouth, don't care about justifying their enormous wages, don't care about being trophyless wonders. And they certainly don't care about what they've put the fans through as a result, nor what that means for the club they represent. They just collect their paycheck and turn in sh*te, week after week, oblivious and happy.
On the other hand, the fans ultimately value the club a lot more than any individual wearing the shirt. Sanchez, Dier, Davies, even Lloris - they come and they go. The club remains.
The disconnect is what drives this, and booing them is the only way to get them to realize that the people who pay their wages actually are hurt by them limply losing like that. Because lord knows, they don't look like they care about that at all otherwise.
So, Sanchez gets the stick, but Lloris is to blame. Kane's to blame, Son's to blame - they all are. They let it get to this - them and the owners and coaches that didn't hold them accountable either.
Conte may have been a c*nt, but he was right about one thing - no one ever holds these players accountable for being disinterested sh*tes,and he had the courage to say it to the press. Fans just picked that message up, is all.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
But he was guilty by playing the same players he moaned about week after week without fail
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Yeah. He doesn't escape blame for it - he was the one who played the likes of Dier et al, that's on him. It's why I think he's a c*nt - at least own up to your own failures in judgement in being deceived by players like that.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Yep
Conte isn’t the big brave man people thought
He is a clam who didn’t have the combination to take action enough
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
I can't dance with that at all except the bit about being a self entitled clam, after all a clam is useful and the arseholes who boo their own players are not.
Conte never told any truths, he simply said whatever the fudge he felt would deflect blame from his failure.
He is the guy who didn't give minutes to squad players to allow them to be more ready for when they were needed, he's the guy who felt a WB would be a better goal threat than Son, he's the guy who felt being constantly outnumbered in midfield when you need better defenders is a good idea.
Dier & Sanchez are not good enough, but he felt Porro was the priority not a CB .. fudge that guy ..