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The Conte In/Out Poll
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Kasey Keller
is he in or ..out.. you shake it all about...you do the hokey cokey and you turn around..thats what its all about
OK......... I'll get my coat......
OK......... I'll get my coat......
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
If Conte wants to stay, I'm all in on him. We've been through this cycle. Sack the manager, get a new one, get a bounce, things get brick, sack the manager. It leads nowhere. We accuse the players and club of being weak minded but shouting for the manager's head every time we hit a bad patch is weak minded.
Conte is a winner. Give him time. Fergie is the cliche example but you can wheel out Klopp and Arteta as very recent examples of managers who have had sticky spells and came out the other side.
If Conte is going to go regardless, let him go now. Pay the 5m-8m or whatever you can agree with him. If he stays and his heart's not in it, it'll cost us at least that much. And if he goes, get Poch back. Will he be successful? F**k knows but the short term rush would be brilliant and he's the best manager I can see on the market at the moment.
Conte is a winner. Give him time. Fergie is the cliche example but you can wheel out Klopp and Arteta as very recent examples of managers who have had sticky spells and came out the other side.
If Conte is going to go regardless, let him go now. Pay the 5m-8m or whatever you can agree with him. If he stays and his heart's not in it, it'll cost us at least that much. And if he goes, get Poch back. Will he be successful? F**k knows but the short term rush would be brilliant and he's the best manager I can see on the market at the moment.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Mikey10
John Lacy
Eriktheviking
Goran Bunjevcevic
Perhaps the news of him staying in Italy is a managed early exit?
Robspur12
John Lacy
We are refreshing the squad. This is not the same issue Mourinho or Nuno faced we are further down the rebuild cycle. I think we are in the top 5 of transfer spend. Conte will never get all the players he craves. The problem is he is so wedded to play a certain way. I just don't think he is the right fit for us.
papaspur
Kasey Keller
I will always maintain that he did an excellent job to finish in 4th last season, but I agree that he doesn't seem to be right for us, and vice versa. All the talk of suffering and all that, I get it, but it's not just the players that are suffering. We can be difficult to watch at times, and while I don't blame him for the players he's inherited, his lack of rotation or reticence to bench those that are underperforming has been perplexing to say the least. A good manager should be able to get the most out of all the players at their disposal and use their whole squad. I also feel like it's the manager's job to develop young players as well, whether that's actually playing them in matches or instructing our DoF to find them loans (referring more about Skipp than Spence here).
Seeing players returning from the World Cup go straight into the squad for the following fixtures, like Perisic, really made me wonder what was going on behind the scenes. For such a strange season due to the WC being in the winter, I expected more savvy management. His selections for our Carabao Cup match were also wild to me, starting so many first-teamers and STILL losing.
Anyway, I voted for Conte out, but only in the summer. We can perhaps get someone lined up in the mean-time but I harbor no ill will towards Conte. It's only a matter of time before we get some AI ChatGPT-like "Manager Presence Character (MPC)™" taking over first-team coaching duties at clubs so we might as well herald in this frightening future by being the first club to do so, generating tons of publicity and, unexpectedly, deepfakes of "opposition players as women with huge tetas" as a form of psychological warfare to intimidate them. I would like to welcome our new AI overlords and am excited to see what they bring to the pitch, but not to my browser history.
I think you need to separate Paratici and Conte. Paratici's transfer record is decent since arriving:
Summer 21: Romero, Royal, Sarr, Gollini (loan), Gil
Winter 22: Bentancur, Kulu
Summer 22: Rocharlison, Bisouma, Perisic(free), Udogie, Spence, Forster (free), Lenglet (loan)
Winter 23: Porro, Danjuma (loan)
There's not many out and out failures there for players who have commanded decent fees. Jury still out on a couple, but generally our squad is substantially stronger as a result of the 4 windows he's been here
The previous two summers we spent the best part of £200m on Ndmobele, Sess, GLC, Reguilon, Rodon, Doherty, PEH...
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Tbf only 4 of them have played a reasonable amount of games to judge them on
richie_spur
Øyvind Leonhardsen
I loved Poch and would welcome him back with open arms... when the time is right. But I would wait at least till the summer and see what Conte does, then consider it.
The main consideration would be to look at our players as I would only consider Poch in the summer IF it was virtually impossible with the current players to reinstate that fudging diamond (how quickly we forget).
The main consideration would be to look at our players as I would only consider Poch in the summer IF it was virtually impossible with the current players to reinstate that fudging diamond (how quickly we forget).
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
I think it was the new manager bounce last season. Yes, there have been some mitigating circumstances this year, but I think it is generally difficult for a manager to turn things around after he has been with a team for while. If he does, it will take a very long time, which I do not think the club or the supporters are willing to give him.
EDIT: Someone mentioned SAF, who I think is the exception to the rule. But it still took him a long time to get things clicking (same with Klopp/Lego Man). I don't think we have the luxury to wait 2-3 years, especially given the fact we have enough talent to be in a much better shape than we currently are.
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demotw
Nicola Berti
We are 5th in the league, other then Saudi Sportswashing Machine who should we be outperforming? We are certainly not better player wise then Chels or Pool, our Defence and GK are barely top 6 material yet there we are again flirting with top 4.
Conte may or may not be the answer, Poch certainly is not he has zero history of this sort of rebuild (and no he didn’t rebuild anything 1st time round, he lucked into the players we had), his time at PSG in terms of performance shows his level. Tuchel? I guess it’s an option but his track record isn’t better then Mou or Conte, so no guarantees.
We need to replace most our team, so have no issues giving Conte and Paratici the time to do so assuming they are both up for it, but no manager coming in will do better then Conte has done position wise and this can’t be bothered some games attitude dates back to Poch times
Conte may or may not be the answer, Poch certainly is not he has zero history of this sort of rebuild (and no he didn’t rebuild anything 1st time round, he lucked into the players we had), his time at PSG in terms of performance shows his level. Tuchel? I guess it’s an option but his track record isn’t better then Mou or Conte, so no guarantees.
We need to replace most our team, so have no issues giving Conte and Paratici the time to do so assuming they are both up for it, but no manager coming in will do better then Conte has done position wise and this can’t be bothered some games attitude dates back to Poch times
After this summer's window, I'd say that 75%-80% of the rebuild should have been done. As the core of a decent sqaud, I'd hope we have:
- new GK and Lloris
- Romero plus two new £30m-£50m value CBs
- RB or RWB: Porro and Royal on the right; Udogie on the left
- our current 5 CMs
- Kane, Kulu, Richarlison, Son
and then whichever handful of the other names (Dier, Davies, perisic, Gil etc) which remain
That group above is the core of a squad/team which should be able to be in/around the top 4 regularly with some tinkering needed based on the preferences of either Conte or the new manager
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
But any team can argue the same and it’s the fact that we didn’t get those wins which is key.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
The problem is if Kane leaves then that’s huge. And can happen, if he does it’s equivalent to losing two players such is his influence at the club.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
Bale was an incredible asset too, the trajectory didn’t change when he left.
glasgowspur
Nayim
People talk about players leaving as if we aren't going to put anyone in their place, play with 10 men. Its nuts.
Are we going to get another kane, no, not a chance. But that doesn't mean that we can't and won't adapt.
Robspur12
John Lacy
What does that statement mean? The facts don’t bear it out. He was at PSG for just over 1 season and won everything domestically, beat Bayern and Barcelona in the CL too. Galtier is struggling now and Tuchel left them in 3rd place.
This team that Conte has now is decent, we need reinforcements in defence but the defence is not terrible by any means. We have a world class striker who is breaking records domestically and nationally, last years golden boot winner, albeit who has lost form some of that might be down to contes system. A World Cup winning centre half and decent options at F/B. We are 5th for now but teams above and below have games in hand on us, City home aside we do not beat our rivals for CL. West Ham on Sunday will be another good test. Let’s see where we are after that one because I am not confident. Let’s hope I am wrong.