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what has happened to the transfer section?

I wish I'd put it in the right thread when it was there in the transfer section in January.

Someone asked, who had moved in the past 12 months who would have been a good option for us.

Beyond the obvious options like Benteke, who at 22 in his first season has outperformed and outscored both of our strikers in an appalling team, there is someone like Jackson Martinez for example. He moved to Porto for 7 million pounds in the summer from Mexico. He has scored 20 goals in 19 games in the league and 26 in 29 overall.

Now a player like that, I think it is fair to say, none of us would have picked up before his move. Which is just another reason why I always think the question of 'well, no strikers are moving who we could get, who do you think we could have got?' is a silly question. I and most of the posters on here are fans of Spurs who don't watch much football outside of this league. It isn't my job to find players for the team. It is the job of the scouting team and the manager.

Hopefully this summer, after 10 transfer windows post Berbatov, they finally get it right.
 
^ the trouble with buying from Latin America and Mexico is the work permit issue - something which the Portuguese/Spanish teams don't have to worry about and as a result they are normally well informed of the up and coming talent out of there /already have the transfer/scouting links to make the deals happen.

scouting does seem to be an area in which we need to up our game - but when you think about it id imagine we put a lot of stock in Comoli and Arsnesen to develop our scouting network, them eventually leaving/not working out could have meant we have had to start again in this area - don't know what Redknapps involvement was, though im sure he was more and agents man than a scouts man ;)
 
Hootnow said:
I wish I'd put it in the right thread when it was there in the transfer section in January.

Someone asked, who had moved in the past 12 months who would have been a good option for us.

Beyond the obvious options like Benteke, who at 22 in his first season has outperformed and outscored both of our strikers in an appalling team, there is someone like Jackson Martinez for example. He moved to Porto for 7 million pounds in the summer from Mexico. He has scored 20 goals in 19 games in the league and 26 in 29 overall.

Now a player like that, I think it is fair to say, none of us would have picked up before his move. Which is just another reason why I always think the question of 'well, no strikers are moving who we could get, who do you think we could have got?' is a silly question. I and most of the posters on here are fans of Spurs who don't watch much football outside of this league. It isn't my job to find players for the team. It is the job of the scouting team and the manager.

Hopefully this summer, after 10 transfer windows post Berbatov, they finally get it right.
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It's why we need to appoint Andre's mate Antonio Henrique (or equivalent), so we can bring in the likes of Falcao and Jackson Martinez much cheaper direct from South America.

Broomfield, Deadwood, Rosenthal, Pleat and co, who have been in charge of this since 2008, have drawn completely blank for far too long.
 
billyiddo said:
^ the trouble with buying from Latin America and Mexico is the work permit issue - something which the Portuguese/Spanish teams don't have to worry about and as a result they are normally well informed of the up and coming talent out of there /already have the transfer/scouting links to make the deals happen.

scouting does seem to be an area in which we need to up our game - but when you think about it id imagine we put a lot of stock in Comoli and Arsnesen to develop our scouting network, them eventually leaving/not working out could have meant we have had to start again in this area - don't know what Redknapps involvement was, though im sure he was more and agents man than a scouts man ;)
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Not any more. Not since work permits were abolished and replaced by PBS (which happened between 2008-10).

No one is going to be any harder to get over than say Sandro or Hernandez.

The issue is cultural (the move to Iberia is easier), but mainly because we don't have the knowledge and experience over there.
 
billyiddo said:
^ the trouble with buying from Latin America and Mexico is the work permit issue - something which the Portuguese/Spanish teams don't have to worry about and as a result they are normally well informed of the up and coming talent out of there /already have the transfer/scouting links to make the deals happen.

scouting does seem to be an area in which we need to up our game - but when you think about it id imagine we put a lot of stock in Comoli and Arsnesen to develop our scouting network, them eventually leaving/not working out could have meant we have had to start again in this area - don't know what Redknapps involvement was, though im sure he was more and agents man than a scouts man ;)
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But I'm not sure how much of an issue this really is anymore. We got Sandro with few problems, were going after Oscar (and Chelsea eventually picked him up with few problems) and Chelsea have been picking up Brazilians left, right and centre recently. I'm sure a lot of Latin Americans would prefer to make their first move to Iberia for cultural reasons but it doesn't mean we can't compete.

Also, Jackson Martinez is 26 and a full international, he definitely wouldn't have had work permit issues.
 
Hootnow said:
Also, Jackson Martinez is 26 and a full international, he definitely wouldn't have had work permit issues.
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ignore me then :lol:

our scouting network is definitely something which needs to be addressed though i agree - hopefully now the training center is out of the way it is something Levy can focus on building
 
Gutter Boy said:
Broomfield, Deadwood, Rosenthal, Pleat and co, who have been in charge of this since 2008, have drawn completely blank for far too long.
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Broomfield has left the club but found Sandro, so was not completely lacking in finding talented, cheap South American talent. What roles have Sherwood, Rosenthal and Pleat held at the club since 2008?
 
milo said:
Broomfield has left the club but found Sandro, so was not completely lacking in finding talented, cheap South American talent. What roles have Sherwood, Rosenthal and Pleat held at the club since 2008?
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Broomfield found Sandro in his 6 years over two spells at the club? That makes Wenger's recent trophy-winning record look fruitful.

Sherwood is called technical co-ordinator or something, but seems to be acting as a poor man's DoF at the moment. Him, Rosenthal and Pleat are supposed to be the mysterious advisers on Levy's infamous 'transfer committee'.
 
seems to me Sherwoods role is entirely based around the youth system at the club and has almost next to nothing to do with scouting or transfers.
 
forgive me for not putting too much stock in what Jetset has to say about anything :lol:
 
It's odd.

I used to like the transfer committee as something good that protected us from Redknapp's follies.

Now I see it as something that frustrates the ambitions of our exciting progressive coaches.

I think I like the idea in principal, but want to see people more in tune with AVB and Freund's thinking on it - people like Henrique; rather than figures from our own mid/late-90s dark days.
 
I agree, it was the same problem with having a DOF. If the manager, chairman and dof are all working together then bingo but if not then it can become a disaster.
 
Rossi22 said:
I agree, it was the same problem with having a DOF. If the manager, chairman and dof are all working together then bingo but if not then it can become a disaster.
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I think after this season's success AVB will have more clout in the summer to push for the appointee(s) he want. He was obviously angling for a new DoF last summer with the number of times he mentioned it in interviews.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Sherwood is called technical co-ordinator or something, but seems to be acting as a poor man's DoF at the moment. Him, Rosenthal and Pleat are supposed to be the mysterious advisers on Levy's infamous 'transfer committee'.
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Sherwood has only been technical director since the summer though, before that he was coaching the reserves. It seems a little unfair to blame him for our transfer policy over the last five years when we only know for certain that he has had a say for the last seven months.

I've heard that Pleat has Levy's ear but none of us know whether that is true or even if it, to what extent. The same is true of Rosenthal but with even less to back it up.
 
Transfer by committee is a very good idea. Consensus of opinion from a larger group is more likely to be accurate than the opinion of one person. If every one of a group of 5 agree that a player:

A) is good enough to improve the squad
B) is likely to adapt and fit in with the country/city/squad
C) is good value for money

Then it is likely the player will be a success.

I think that shows in that out of the 6 senior players signed this summer and January the only one who has struggled to perform to expectations so far is Sigurdsson who is young enough that we could either develop him to an acceptable level or cut our losses and sell him, probably for no financial loss.

Funnily enough I'm currently reading an interesting book called Soccernomics, which analyses clubs that have successfully played the transfer Market to punch considerably above their weight. The two biggest examples were Forest under Clough & Taylor and Olympic Lyon. Both followed the transfers by committee model
 
NWND said:
Transfer by committee is a very good idea. Consensus of opinion from a larger group is more likely to be accurate than the opinion of one person. If every one of a group of 5 agree that a player:

A) is good enough to improve the squad
B) is likely to adapt and fit in with the country/city/squad
C) is good value for money

Then it is likely the player will be a success.

I think that shows in that out of the 6 senior players signed this summer and January the only one who has struggled to perform to expectations so far is Sigurdsson who is young enough that we could either develop him to an acceptable level or cut our losses and sell him, probably for no financial loss.

Funnily enough I'm currently reading an interesting book called Soccernomics, which analyses clubs that have successfully played the transfer Market to punch considerably above their weight. The two biggest examples were Forest under Clough & Taylor and Olympic Lyon. Both followed the transfers by committee model
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The problem seems to be more lack of creativity with options, rather than decision-making. It would be nice to have someone with knowledge of a broader range of leagues than the current lot seem to have.

Pleat's specialism is English lower leagues. Sherwood covers English youth football. Rosenthal is the most internationally reputable: he sorted the Berbatov from BL deal for us and apparently 'discovered' Bosingwa, though he did once say: "Years ago I watched a young player and didn't think he would make it big. He was Kaka".
 
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