Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

[Lilbaz]

I think we need to understand more facts and make less presumptions as fans
That’s not defending him but what I will say is I thought partey must be in the clear because it’s been so long… I was wrong, and they must have evidence now (clear but doesn’t man not guilty) hence finally charging him.
How e judge their e,Adler ship at the time would also need facts that we won’t ever get sight of IMO

At the end of the day, we all agree if partey is guilty he should face justice.

 

[Bullet]

How e judge their e,Adler ship at the time

Whatty what what?

 

[Robspur12]

People are put on remand often in the same prisons as those actually convicted, before going to trial. So putting someone on gardening leave on full pay while very serious allegations are being investigated is hardly trampling on their human rights. And this innocent until proven guilty point is for a court of law not for the workplace. Employers have a duty of care to other staff as well as vulnerable groups who may come into contact with him.

Remember Partay has been arrested multiple times previously and played whilst out on bail. And there are 5 counts of rape I believe from 3 different women. There's enough there to keep him away from the first team and under close supervision.

In any case, football should get it's house in order on this. If it's campaign is preventing violence to women and girls then it should send a strong message; there have been too many blind eyes turned, too many cover ups over the years of serial abusers.

 

[Lilbaz]

People are put on remand often in the same prisons as those actually convicted, before going to trial. So putting someone on gardening leave on full pay while very serious allegations are being investigated is hardly trampling on their human rights. And this innocent until proven guilty point is for a court of law not for the workplace. Employers have a duty of care to other staff as well as vulnerable groups who may come into contact with him.

Remember Partay has been arrested multiple times previously and played whilst out on bail. And there are 5 counts of rape I believe from 3 different women. There's enough there to keep him away from the first team and under close supervision.

In any case, football should get it's house in order on this. If it's campaign is preventing violence to women and girls then it should send a strong message; there have been too many blind eyes turned, too many cover ups over the years of serial abusers.

It's the first time he has been charged isn't it? I don't know if he's been arrested, maybe questioned.

 

[Lilbaz]

We have a judiciary for a reason, names shouldn't be public knowledge. Cliff Richards, jonny depp.

Yes all victims should be believed as far as a full investigation. But also people lie.

 

[kb 1984]

We have a judiciary for a reason, names shouldn't be public knowledge. Cliff Richards, jonny depp.

Yes all victims should be believed as far as a full investigation. But also people lie.

Agreed names should be kept quiet. It's a bit more difficult with social media as soon as one person finds out the world finds out. I guess a contempt of court charge may deter some.Wasn't depp found guilty in the UK & not guilty in the US. Could be wrong.

 

[Lilbaz]

Agreed names should be kept quiet. It's a bit more difficult with social media as soon as one person finds out the world finds out. I guess a contempt of court charge may deter some.Wasn't depp found guilty in the UK & not guilty in the US. Could be wrong.

No he sued the sun in the uk, for calling him a wife beater. They found in heards favour. Because they thought she had no reason to lie as she donated all the money from the divorce to charity. Turned out she didn't. She lied.

 

[kb 1984]

No he sued the sun in the uk, for calling him a wife beater. They found in heards favour. Because they thought she had no reason to lie as she donated all the money from the divorce to charity. Turned out she didn't. She lied.

Thanks I didn't really follow the case. Ruppert Murdoch won something in court that's got to be a first horrible man

 

[Lilbaz]

Thanks I didn't really follow the case. Ruppert Murdoch won something in court that's got to be a first horrible man

I wasn't interested but got caught up. It is an insight into how fudged up hollywood and the whole media industry is.
Let alone medical. 2 24 hour nurses giving them whatever perscribed drugs they wanted. $125k a month.

 

[braineclipse]

We're in a thread about our new ceo.
That shifted to partey. Whether our ceo was somehow complicit? That shifted to rich people exploiting women. Footballers, then men in the uk having a massive problem with violence against women. Then about statistics, which we were asked to google.

Maybe just shift it back to the ceo. The judiciary can deal with partey and the rest of us posters (that are men) can refrain from hitting or raping women.

To me us men who aren't violent to women have a responsibility beyond refraining from hitting or raping women.

We've come some way towards progress, some signs of things getting worse again. See the popularity of Andre Tate, signs of misogyny rising amongst young men etc.

I say let's together as men who aren't violent be crystal clear about it every time the subject comes up (especially in situations where young men may also take part). Raise awareness of the problem, try to influence other men to be better.

Imo let any case like this be an excuse to bring it up and be crystal clear.

 

[braineclipse]

About sums it up.

So what is the actual issue? Do people think he shouldn't be our ceo because of that?

Should we sack him?

Did anyone say he shouldn't be our CEO or that we should sack him?

If the same happened at Spurs I'd want it handled very differently. To what extent he sas responsible for how it was handled there is impossible to know.

 

[Grays_1890]

To me us men who aren't violent to women have a responsibility beyond refraining from hitting or raping women.

We've come some way towards progress, some signs of things getting worse again. See the popularity of Andre Tate, signs of misogyny rising amongst young men etc.

I say let's together as men who aren't violent be crystal clear about it every time the subject comes up (especially in situations where young men may also take part). Raise awareness of the problem, try to influence other men to be better.

Imo let any case like this be an excuse to bring it up and be crystal clear.

Agree, I have seen things that I wish I had spoken up about when I was younger and live with regret and now I am older I 100% would, but still the fact I have not spoken up at times still irks me

 

[Grays_1890]

Essentially no one in the world are saying that all men are violent to women. Unless someone specifically says they think all men are violent to women it's safe to assume people don't think that.

The "not all men" types I'm guessing would be people who in a discussion about violence towards women bring up "not all men" as if it's a relevant point to the conversation. It comes across as a red herring.

For some people at least moving a conversation about violence towards women by men to be about or also be about violence towards men by men or women just seems like changing the subject. Similarly to making it a conversation about how not all men are violent.

Exactly this, I don't see where this backs up defence comes from. From someone making up that we were saying its a bigger problem in football (we weren't) to making out that all men were being painted as violent (they weren't).

Its not beyond the point of balance to say there is a problem with treatment of women in this country still without it being about all women and all men, but it can still be a problem none the less. And its no use people playing that down with some faux outrage about comments that haven't been made, that just comes across as blasé which is strange given the gravity of the charges from which the subject stems.

I think people forget that we are only 30 years out of a period in which women were most definitely discriminated against in every walk of life and there is still work to be done unfortunately.

Anyway,

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

Whilst Vinae was CEO at The Woolwich he was not on the board of directors , he may well have referred the Partey case to the directors to get further guidance from above on what to do, nobody knows.

 

[Grays_1890]

Whilst Vinae was CEO at The Woolwich he was not on the board of directors , he may well have referred the Partey case to the directors to get further guidance from above on what to do, nobody knows.

He isn't mentioned in the complaint that one woman mentioned on her twitter expose, she named everyone and was particularly scathing on the COO