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[tommysvr]

You were talking about tackling the culture. Your words. Suggesting there was some kind of systematic issue in football. I simply asked you to substantiate your claim. And you lost it.

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

Source: https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/

 

[Grays_1890]

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

Source: https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/

How Daily Mail of you....

 

[SpurMeUp]

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

I thinking you’re going off on a tangent here. You said we have to tackle the culture. As though there is some kind of inherent culture in football that needs addressing. You haven’t provided any evidence for that.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Improvements yes......where it should be? Absolutely not.

Domestic violence, including homicide stats are nowhere near where they need to be. Neither are sexual asualt, stalking or harassment.

Men have an absolute cakewalk in comparison

No argument from me. You’ve moved the argument into a more general societal one, and I agree. Maybe because you weren’t on such solid ground making prejudgments about footballers?

 

[tommysvr]

I thinking you’re going off on a tangent here. You said we have to tackle the culture. As though there is some kind of inherent culture in football that needs addressing. You haven’t provided any evidence for that.

Once again, I didn’t say anything about football. But it is a reflection of society. Most men are good. There are lots that are bad. The more good people like (presumably) you and I sit around and pretend it’s not our issue, the more women get hurt.

I’m going to bow out here mate. Don’t have much more to add.

 

[Grays_1890]

No argument from me. You’ve moved the argument into a more general social one, and I agree. Maybe because you weren’t on such solid ground making prejudgments about footballers?

Again I never mentioned footballers....second time today you have made that up....which is odd considering you keep parroting on about facts...

 

[SpurMeUp]

Again I never mentioned footballers....second time today you have made that up....which is odd considering you keep parroting on about facts...

This was you a page or two back?

If footballs taught me anything ala people killing their GFs in drink driving, racism, adultery and rape, it values success on the pitch above moral obligations

 

[Grays_1890]

This was you a page or two back?

Yep, talking about the moral compass of football when it comes to dealing with issues NOT saying things are more likely to be or more reflected in football.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Once again, I didn’t say anything about football. But it is a reflection of society. Most men are good. There are lots that are bad. The more good people like (presumably) you and I sit around and pretend it’s not our issue, the more women get hurt.

I’m going to bow out here mate. Don’t have much more to add.

It’s a totally separate thing. You’ve moved the argument over to suit your narrative. I agree violence against women needs a whole lot more work. Who doesn’t?

We were talking about football and in the context of that narrative you said: there is a cultural problem. I asked you to substantiate this. You lost your zhit. Then claimed it was a general societal point you were making.

 

[Bullet]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

 

[Grays_1890]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

Cheers lad, TBH I think a large portion of it is trolling.

PEACE

 

[SpurMeUp]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

Okay if you say so. To me it seemed like they were insinuating there was a culture of abusing women in football (and there maybe). When asked to substantiate the claim, it was oh we were talking about wider society. Yes fair enough, just slightly random to make this point when in the middle of talking about footballers. But fair enough, we can have a societal debate about the wider issue.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sure. Violence committed by….other men!

A weak argument that gets rolled out by the “not all men” types.

Wut? So all men are violent to women?

I don't get what you are saying.

And no a lot of domestic violence is caused by women. 3% of men suffer from domestic violence. Not as much as the 6.6% of women. But then a lot goes unreported. The % of women actually charged for domestic violence compared to men is lower at 6.97%.

Not all men are wife beaters and not all women are saints. Yes men are more violent. Yes it is a problem. But it's not as black and white as you make it out.