Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

[tommysvr]

You were talking about tackling the culture. Your words. Suggesting there was some kind of systematic issue in football. I simply asked you to substantiate your claim. And you lost it.

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

Source: https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/

 

[Grays_1890]

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

Source: https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/

How Daily Mail of you....

 

[SpurMeUp]

I never mentioned football specifically. Football is just a reflection of society.

You want stats? Here’s what took me 10 fudging seconds to find:

Fact: The police receive a domestic abuse-related call every 30 seconds.
Yet it is estimated that less than 24% of domestic abuse crime is reported to the police.

Fact: 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic abuse in her lifetime.
Domestic abuse feels incredibly isolating, but the numbers tell a different story: you are not alone.

Fact: On average, one woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex every five days in England and Wales.
If you are afraid of your partner, Refuge is here to help you. Always call 999 in an emergency.

Fact: It takes, on average, 7 attempts before a woman is able to leave for good.
Leaving an abusive partner is a process, not a single act.

Fact: Domestic abuse is linked to depression and homelessness.
Women who experience domestic abuse are twice as likely to experience depression, and 40% of homeless women state domestic abuse as a contributory factor to their homelessness.

Fact: Domestic abuse can lead women to suicide.
It is estimated that around 3 women a week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse.

Fact: 20% of children in the UK have lived with an adult perpetrating domestic abuse.
That’s 1 in 5 kids.

Fact: Young girls in the UK report high incidence of sexual violence.
41% of UK girls aged 14 to 17 in an intimate relationship experienced some form of sexual violence from their partner.

Fact: 93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female.
And yet, women are three times more likely to be arrested for incidents of abuse.

Fact: Domestic abuse costs the UK an estimated £23 billion a year.
It is not only weighing on our physical and emotional health, but also our economy.

Fact: Domestic abuse can increase during pregnancy.
14% of Refuge’s service users reported being pregnant.

I thinking you’re going off on a tangent here. You said we have to tackle the culture. As though there is some kind of inherent culture in football that needs addressing. You haven’t provided any evidence for that.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Improvements yes......where it should be? Absolutely not.

Domestic violence, including homicide stats are nowhere near where they need to be. Neither are sexual asualt, stalking or harassment.

Men have an absolute cakewalk in comparison

No argument from me. You’ve moved the argument into a more general societal one, and I agree. Maybe because you weren’t on such solid ground making prejudgments about footballers?

 

[tommysvr]

I thinking you’re going off on a tangent here. You said we have to tackle the culture. As though there is some kind of inherent culture in football that needs addressing. You haven’t provided any evidence for that.

Once again, I didn’t say anything about football. But it is a reflection of society. Most men are good. There are lots that are bad. The more good people like (presumably) you and I sit around and pretend it’s not our issue, the more women get hurt.

I’m going to bow out here mate. Don’t have much more to add.

 

[Grays_1890]

No argument from me. You’ve moved the argument into a more general social one, and I agree. Maybe because you weren’t on such solid ground making prejudgments about footballers?

Again I never mentioned footballers....second time today you have made that up....which is odd considering you keep parroting on about facts...

 

[SpurMeUp]

Again I never mentioned footballers....second time today you have made that up....which is odd considering you keep parroting on about facts...

This was you a page or two back?

If footballs taught me anything ala people killing their GFs in drink driving, racism, adultery and rape, it values success on the pitch above moral obligations

 

[Grays_1890]

This was you a page or two back?

Yep, talking about the moral compass of football when it comes to dealing with issues NOT saying things are more likely to be or more reflected in football.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Once again, I didn’t say anything about football. But it is a reflection of society. Most men are good. There are lots that are bad. The more good people like (presumably) you and I sit around and pretend it’s not our issue, the more women get hurt.

I’m going to bow out here mate. Don’t have much more to add.

It’s a totally separate thing. You’ve moved the argument over to suit your narrative. I agree violence against women needs a whole lot more work. Who doesn’t?

We were talking about football and in the context of that narrative you said: there is a cultural problem. I asked you to substantiate this. You lost your zhit. Then claimed it was a general societal point you were making.

 

[Bullet]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

 

[Grays_1890]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

Cheers lad, TBH I think a large portion of it is trolling.

PEACE

 

[SpurMeUp]

@SpurMeUp you completely misconstrued what @tommysvr was saying, and also completely misconstrued what @Grays_1890 was saying.

Before weighing into these things, you need to read more carefully and think a bit.

It would save a lot of back and forth; they are not saying what you think they are saying.

Okay if you say so. To me it seemed like they were insinuating there was a culture of abusing women in football (and there maybe).

"At some point you need to tackle the culture, not the individual cases." How do you read that? The lofty ambition that we should be tackling the culture of England (or Ghana), or the culture in football?

When asked to substantiate the claim, it was oh we were talking about wider society. Yes fair enough, just slightly random to make this point when in the middle of talking about footballers. But fair enough, we can have a societal debate about the wider issue.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sure. Violence committed by….other men!

A weak argument that gets rolled out by the “not all men” types.

Wut? So all men are violent to women?

I don't get what you are saying.

And no a lot of domestic violence is caused by women. 3% of men suffer from domestic violence. Not as much as the 6.6% of women. But then a lot goes unreported. The % of women actually charged for domestic violence compared to men is lower at 6.97%.

Not all men are wife beaters and not all women are saints. Yes men are more violent. Yes it is a problem. But it's not as black and white as you make it out.

 

[braineclipse]

He left arsenal and we don't know why.
Maybe he left because of their actions over partey.
He can't say that, there's a legal case being prepared, he'd be prejudicing the case, he'd also be open to legal action from the player and arsenal I would be imagine.
There is nothing but Internet speculation and lots 2+2 = guilt by association.
Let's not hang someone out dry just to make ourselves look righteous.

Just to be clear my question was not in any way meant as a criticism of Vinai. As you say we don't know.

There were several posts that seemed to indicate that people thought Arsenal dealt with the situation the way they should have. What his role was in that we don't know.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Things are far far better now than they were 50, 40, 30 even 20 and 10 years ago. Not that you’d think so reading Tommys posts. Remember lads mags and lad culture? It wasn’t all that long ago. Now people are far more inclusive and respectful.

No one believed things are perfect and there are huge strides still to be made agreed

It’s progress
But it’s not the final answer

 

[braineclipse]

Wut? So all men are violent to women?

I don't get what you are saying.

And no a lot of domestic violence is caused by women. 3% of men suffer from domestic violence. Not as much as the 6.6% of women. But then a lot goes unreported. The % of women actually charged for domestic violence compared to men is lower at 6.97%.

Not all men are wife beaters and not all women are saints. Yes men are more violent. Yes it is a problem. But it's not as black and white as you make it out.

Essentially no one in the world are saying that all men are violent to women. Unless someone specifically says they think all men are violent to women it's safe to assume people don't think that.

The "not all men" types I'm guessing would be people who in a discussion about violence towards women bring up "not all men" as if it's a relevant point to the conversation. It comes across as a red herring.

For some people at least moving a conversation about violence towards women by men to be about or also be about violence towards men by men or women just seems like changing the subject. Similarly to making it a conversation about how not all men are violent.

 

[Lilbaz]

Essentially no one in the world are saying that all men are violent to women. Unless someone specifically says they think all men are violent to women it's safe to assume people don't think that.

The "not all men" types I'm guessing would be people who in a discussion about violence towards women bring up "not all men" as if it's a relevant point to the conversation. It comes across as a red herring.

For some people at least moving a conversation about violence towards women by men to be about or also be about violence towards men by men or women just seems like changing the subject. Similarly to making it a conversation about how not all men are violent.

We're in a thread about our new ceo.
That shifted to partey. Whether our ceo was somehow complicit? That shifted to rich people exploiting women. Footballers, then men in the uk having a massive problem with violence against women. Then about statistics, which we were asked to google.

Maybe just shift it back to the ceo. The judiciary can deal with partey and the rest of us posters (that are men) can refrain from hitting or raping women.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Shifting it back to the CEO then
The only things we know is he was there when the initial aspects arose
He was there when additional complaints were made to the safe guarding team at arsenal
He left them in the summer of 2024 so roughly 2 years ish from the initial issues being made public to arsenal
He joined us this summer, a year later
IMO… so not factual… I don’t believe someone in his position would not know what a player I’d his was being accused of. How he personally dealt with it would be purely conjecture, but again, my opinion is that he would have been in a group that decided play the player until he is charged. I should have course be very wrong

 

[Lilbaz]

Shifting it back to the CEO then
The only things we know is he was there when the initial aspects arose
He was there when additional complaints were made to the safe guarding team at arsenal
He left them in the summer of 2024 so roughly 2 years ish from the initial issues being made public to arsenal
He joined us this summer, a year later
IMO… so not factual… I don’t believe someone in his position would not know what a player I’d his was being accused of. How he personally dealt with it would be purely conjecture, but again, my opinion is that he would have been in a group that decided play the player until he is charged. I should have course be very wrong

About sums it up.

So what is the actual issue? Do people think he shouldn't be our ceo because of that?

Should we sack him?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

About sums it up.

So what is the actual issue? Do people think he shouldn't be our ceo because of that?

Should we sack him?

I think we need to understand more facts and make less presumptions as fans
That’s not defending him but what I will say is I thought partey must be in the clear because it’s been so long… I was wrong, and they must have evidence now (clear but doesn’t man not guilty) hence finally charging him.
How e judge their e,Adler ship at the time would also need facts that we won’t ever get sight of IMO