Baleforce
Martin Peters
The advantage rule (law 5) has existed for a while, way before VAR.
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The advantage rule (law 5) has existed for a while, way before VAR.
You play the advantage or get the foul not both correct?
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
They talk about contentious decisions anyway,(VAR or not), and remind me what pundits you look forward to talking football post game.
(Roy Keane obviously)
Baleforce
Martin Peters
That’s the third part of my question, is the current backlash against VAR partly due to referees always having “done it wrong” by not being militantly consistent, and that being normalised?
Baleforce
Martin Peters
No, you play the advantage, then if it doesn’t come off quite quickly it gets called back for the set piece.
To use tonight’s no call as an example, pre VAR, ball comes over, Argentinian defender attempts his clearance (let’s say he intentionally handles it in the process for this hypothetical) and it drops in front of the Nigerian forward who sticks it where the owl sleeps, goal, and a yellow card for the intentional handball
Rewind
back to it dropping at the Nigerian forward feet, he shoots, it’s wide, but it was handball, penalty to Nigeria and a yellow card for Mr Argentinian defender.
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Baleforce
Martin Peters
“Going down in the box”
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I do like Roy Keane actually. I don't always agree with him but he scares the brick out of the other pundits which gets him much kudos in my bookThey talk about contentious decisions anyway,(VAR or not), and remind me what pundits you look forward to talking football post game.
.I like him and Jenas. That's it.
In this WC analysis I just turn it off as soon as I hear the word VAR. I'm a programmer. I have enough vars in my life.
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The free shot is the advantage, its always how I have seen the rule applied
Baleforce
Martin Peters
Yeah, and if you miss the free shot you still get the foul given.
I edited that post to add an example, I shoehorned in a lovely little thing I learned today about the Brazilian version of postage stamp.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I would say the backlash is due to the increased amateur dramatics on show, the introduction of square dancing, and the time disruptions. The real or faux outrage at the decisions VAR makes is a talking point but not the key point IMO. In fairness it does not disrupt every game, but enough to have turned me off it until it gets far better.
Bascially my position is refs get it wrong and I can live with that, and moan about it in the pub afterwards (and I kinda like doing that). The extra VAR nonsense is not improving things, IMO.
Anyway that's me on this topic. I'm done.
Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
You're lucky it's a school night and all the mods are in bed.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
Is the diving and feigning really any worse than what we’ve seen in the PL over the last 10 years, or what we saw from Brazil in 2002, Argentina in 98, Germany in 90?
All that’s changed is that players draw boxes rather than waving imaginary cards.
Word.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Yes there's always been more threatrics and other nonsense at WCs but if you really believe it hasn't gone up several notches this time round because of VAR you really are kidding yourself.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
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Baleforce
Martin Peters
I honestly don’t see any difference.
I think it's just easy to forget how much diving and cheating there is in international football - even more so than in European football IMO.
We don't see it a lot so it's always a surprise but there's a lot of underdogs doing all they can to get an advantage .
SteveAWOL
Colin Calderwood
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
They probably need to get rid of the ref trotting to the sideline to view it on a screen. But i understand why they are doing that, it's to give the ref final say on decisions (or at least give the impression).
It may also give the ref assurance that he is not being made to look an ass or feel he is being undermined.
I think the idea that it should focus on only factual decisions first is valid (offside etc) BUT penalties are such a big factor and literally game changers that they need to be included and a ref being assisted to get those calls right is surely a good thing?
Ultimately if a VAR ref can pipe a decision straight into the refs ear that will save time, and the on pitch ref should have a signal the players and fans easily see to say a review is in place. Perhaps they could have 4(?) on pitch safe zones that the ref can retreat to with players forbidden to enter (bar maybe the captain) or the cards come out.
In practice it should eventually get on top of a lot of the play acting, diving and any sneaky off the ball stuff and deal with it right at the time it happens, once the players know everything is being 'seen'.
Of course it never always go well, and that is in the main for the same reason conventional refereeing doesn't, the ref himself is just not that good. The Port/Iran ref couldn't deal with the pressure when the ref last night Arg/Nig was calm as you like.
For the naysayers, what is the holy grail....100% correct decisions all delivered within 30secs? Genuine question.
Or do you just not like it, full stop.?
It may also give the ref assurance that he is not being made to look an ass or feel he is being undermined.
I think the idea that it should focus on only factual decisions first is valid (offside etc) BUT penalties are such a big factor and literally game changers that they need to be included and a ref being assisted to get those calls right is surely a good thing?
Ultimately if a VAR ref can pipe a decision straight into the refs ear that will save time, and the on pitch ref should have a signal the players and fans easily see to say a review is in place. Perhaps they could have 4(?) on pitch safe zones that the ref can retreat to with players forbidden to enter (bar maybe the captain) or the cards come out.
In practice it should eventually get on top of a lot of the play acting, diving and any sneaky off the ball stuff and deal with it right at the time it happens, once the players know everything is being 'seen'.
Of course it never always go well, and that is in the main for the same reason conventional refereeing doesn't, the ref himself is just not that good. The Port/Iran ref couldn't deal with the pressure when the ref last night Arg/Nig was calm as you like.
For the naysayers, what is the holy grail....100% correct decisions all delivered within 30secs? Genuine question.
Or do you just not like it, full stop.?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
What about booking the player who has gone down every time there's an unsuccessful appeal to VAR?