Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
He's being made to do resits over the summer, otherwise he has to repeat the year
He's being made to do resits over the summer, otherwise he has to repeat the year
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Ian Walker
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Is this the face of a man who could pass any form of formal assessment?
He only became a PE teacher because he got in before PGCEs were introduced
Is this the face of a man who could pass any form of formal assessment?
He only became a PE teacher because he got in before PGCEs were introduced
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Oh, Ok I though you were being serious :lol:
Is this the face of a man who could pass any form of formal assessment?
He only became a PE teacher because he got in before PGCEs were introduced
Oh, Ok I though you were being serious :lol:
Bullet
Luka Modric
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
If the figures are true, that is very interesting reading, thanks. Although 4th place would be on fewer points if we had beaten them.
I think everyone is agreed that Sherwood is not tactically shrewd enough to pull Spurs into the top 4 amongst the big spenders, but he has got a lot of points despite himself.
If the figures are true, that is very interesting reading, thanks. Although 4th place would be on fewer points if we had beaten them.
I think everyone is agreed that Sherwood is not tactically shrewd enough to pull Spurs into the top 4 amongst the big spenders, but he has got a lot of points despite himself.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
One more number: 4th placed Arsenal have 2.05 points per game. So although Sherwood has done better than AVB and he would have had to to do exceptionally well to get 4th he hasn't done well enough to get 4th over the full season. Sherwood has us just about on par with Everton's ppg over the season.
I agree with your conclusion.
One more number: 4th placed Arsenal have 2.05 points per game. So although Sherwood has done better than AVB and he would have had to to do exceptionally well to get 4th he hasn't done well enough to get 4th over the full season. Sherwood has us just about on par with Everton's ppg over the season.
I agree with your conclusion.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Agreed. A fresh start is needed to try and get everyone to coalesce around a single individual. FDB seems to me to have what it takes . Get him in with his back room staff, a completely new medical team and a specialist corner coach ASAP.
Agreed. A fresh start is needed to try and get everyone to coalesce around a single individual. FDB seems to me to have what it takes . Get him in with his back room staff, a completely new medical team and a specialist corner coach ASAP.
lurker of old
Wilson Palacios
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
In this context, Sherwood did a decent job of steadying the ship for a while, no more no less.
That's probably a fair judgement. If we had played better in the cups and EL, I think people would be less anti-Sherwood. E.g., the first half away against Benfica we were absolutely woeful, powderpuff midfield yuk! But then after the second half fightback Sherwood tried to claim the credit for the turnround - it just annoyed me, don't know why.
In this context, Sherwood did a decent job of steadying the ship for a while, no more no less.
That's probably a fair judgement. If we had played better in the cups and EL, I think people would be less anti-Sherwood. E.g., the first half away against Benfica we were absolutely woeful, powderpuff midfield yuk! But then after the second half fightback Sherwood tried to claim the credit for the turnround - it just annoyed me, don't know why.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
To be fair to Sherwood that has been a consistent theme under him. We have been average-poor in a lot of first halves, then when he's got them in the dressing room at half time he's obviously said and changed things and we have been much better in the second half several times which is why I think this notion he is clueless tactically is nonsense. Just baffling as to why he hasn't got them going from the start most of the time...
To be fair to Sherwood that has been a consistent theme under him. We have been average-poor in a lot of first halves, then when he's got them in the dressing room at half time he's obviously said and changed things and we have been much better in the second half several times which is why I think this notion he is clueless tactically is nonsense. Just baffling as to why he hasn't got them going from the start most of the time...
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Ian Walker
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think you just answered your own question as to why he hasn't got them going from the start: he IS tactically clueless.
There are only so many times that a poor, unco-ordinated start keeps happening before that inevitable conclusion is unavoidable.
There are only going to be so many times that a half-time team talk will turn things around, and this in itself mostly seems to be only effective against teams that are below our squad talent level; hence we are hanging onto 6th place by a thread.
I think you just answered your own question as to why he hasn't got them going from the start: he IS tactically clueless.
There are only so many times that a poor, unco-ordinated start keeps happening before that inevitable conclusion is unavoidable.
There are only going to be so many times that a half-time team talk will turn things around, and this in itself mostly seems to be only effective against teams that are below our squad talent level; hence we are hanging onto 6th place by a thread.
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Jack L. Jones
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
A tactically clueless manager would not be able to spot what is going wrong in a game and correct it.
I think that there are likely to be a couple of causes. I think that questions should be asked about the preparation for games. I don't know if Sherwood concentrates on our game rather than countering opponents, and he wouldn't be the only manager who did, but I think that there needs to be a bit more balance here.
Secondly, I agree with Sherwood, that we lack leaders on the pitch. We have too many players who get caught ball watching. This is something that they should be able to see and sort out themselves.
A tactically clueless manager would not be able to spot what is going wrong in a game and correct it.
I think that there are likely to be a couple of causes. I think that questions should be asked about the preparation for games. I don't know if Sherwood concentrates on our game rather than countering opponents, and he wouldn't be the only manager who did, but I think that there needs to be a bit more balance here.
Secondly, I agree with Sherwood, that we lack leaders on the pitch. We have too many players who get caught ball watching. This is something that they should be able to see and sort out themselves.
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Terry Dyson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
What will determine whether he goes on to become a top manager is how quickly he learns, adapts and utilizes EVERY tool at his disposal. It's hard not to feel that a lot of the time with us, he has behaved with the sort of youthful belligerence teenage boys do, keen to 'make a point' about 'how he does it his way or the highway' when frankly, he'd have done better with a more expansive approach...
What will determine whether he goes on to become a top manager is how quickly he learns, adapts and utilizes EVERY tool at his disposal. It's hard not to feel that a lot of the time with us, he has behaved with the sort of youthful belligerence teenage boys do, keen to 'make a point' about 'how he does it his way or the highway' when frankly, he'd have done better with a more expansive approach...
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think you're right. He's often a little bit naive with his team selections and also underestimates the opposition. You hear him talk all the time about how we will worry about ourselves, we'll impose ourselves on them etc etc. I think sometimes he puts a team out expecting us to just go out there and express ourselves and because we have, in his eyes anyway, superior players we will win easily (against the lower teams in the league).
In fairness to him, whatever he does at half time seems to work, but you'd much prefer him to not have to do it.
I think you're right. He's often a little bit naive with his team selections and also underestimates the opposition. You hear him talk all the time about how we will worry about ourselves, we'll impose ourselves on them etc etc. I think sometimes he puts a team out expecting us to just go out there and express ourselves and because we have, in his eyes anyway, superior players we will win easily (against the lower teams in the league).
In fairness to him, whatever he does at half time seems to work, but you'd much prefer him to not have to do it.
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Jamie Redknapp
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think he's improved with each game, he still has a lot to learn when talking to the media.
I think the Norwich job would be ideal for him. If he got them promoted then keeps them up and maybe even gets a top 10 finish the season after someone will come calling Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton possibly even us :lol:
I think he's improved with each game, he still has a lot to learn when talking to the media.
I think the Norwich job would be ideal for him. If he got them promoted then keeps them up and maybe even gets a top 10 finish the season after someone will come calling Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Southampton possibly even us :lol:
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
It all boils down to inexperience really. He is very good at reacting to flow of the game (mostly), but his tactics from the outset are indeed naive and I'm fairly sure he picks his team on what happens in training and not much else. His media persona is too forthright but this is also an experience thing IMO. How rare is it for a manager to go off on one in front of the cameras? We are usual served a string of banal platitudes that suffices to appease the masses. Kevin Keegan is the only one that really springs to mind. He'll learn to be boring in front of the cameras soon enough.
Sherwood does have a bit of something about him though, but Spurs are not the club for him at this juncture. Norwich is a good shout actually and good luck to him if he goes there.
It all boils down to inexperience really. He is very good at reacting to flow of the game (mostly), but his tactics from the outset are indeed naive and I'm fairly sure he picks his team on what happens in training and not much else. His media persona is too forthright but this is also an experience thing IMO. How rare is it for a manager to go off on one in front of the cameras? We are usual served a string of banal platitudes that suffices to appease the masses. Kevin Keegan is the only one that really springs to mind. He'll learn to be boring in front of the cameras soon enough.
Sherwood does have a bit of something about him though, but Spurs are not the club for him at this juncture. Norwich is a good shout actually and good luck to him if he goes there.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Norwich are confident of getting Malky Mackay (an ex-player too, and much more of a fan's favourite than Timmeh).
I think he'll be at Swindon come August (his best mate is the chairman there).
Norwich are confident of getting Malky Mackay (an ex-player too, and much more of a fan's favourite than Timmeh).
I think he'll be at Swindon come August (his best mate is the chairman there).
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
You could say though that we're just better than 3/4 of our opponents. We come out unmotivated and disorganised. Timmeh then shouts at them at half time. They come out second half, try a bit harder and our inherent quality shows through.
Remember we've not taken a point off anyone above us since Timmeh took over (we beat Everton in February, but they were 5 points behind us at that point).
You could say though that we're just better than 3/4 of our opponents. We come out unmotivated and disorganised. Timmeh then shouts at them at half time. They come out second half, try a bit harder and our inherent quality shows through.
Remember we've not taken a point off anyone above us since Timmeh took over (we beat Everton in February, but they were 5 points behind us at that point).
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Ilie Dumitrescu
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
For me it's spot on. Timmies tactial skills comes to me as.... nothing at all. We will get a respectable league position, but thats not BECAUSE of Timmie - its DESPITE of. Yes, we maybe looked like a sinking ship when AVB left, must have happened something there. But Timmie has made us look like a side of 11 individuals running round like headless chickens. We have scored more goals, but I put that on the account of good, individuals players like Eriksen og Ade. I pray for a change now, I want to see a TEAM again.
And by the way, I think you are one of a few that hates Timmie more than I do, GB
For me it's spot on. Timmies tactial skills comes to me as.... nothing at all. We will get a respectable league position, but thats not BECAUSE of Timmie - its DESPITE of. Yes, we maybe looked like a sinking ship when AVB left, must have happened something there. But Timmie has made us look like a side of 11 individuals running round like headless chickens. We have scored more goals, but I put that on the account of good, individuals players like Eriksen og Ade. I pray for a change now, I want to see a TEAM again.
And by the way, I think you are one of a few that hates Timmie more than I do, GB
