Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Good results for me under Sherwood:

Spurs 3-0 Stoke
Man Utd 1-2 Spurs
Saudi Sportswashing Machine 0-4 Spurs
Tottenham 5-1 Sunderland

Some good other wins,
Southampton home and away (could have easily lost both though, felt a bit of a lottery)
Beating Palace 2-0 (Puncheon missed a pen)
Beating Everton 1-0 (Great result, but from far an assured performance)

Bad?

Arsenal 2-0
Arsenal 1-0
Chelsea 4-0
Emirates Marketing Project 5-1
Liverpool 4-0
Benfica 3-1

These games we were soundly beaten. In fact we looked dreadful. Arsenal 1-0 we were unlucky actually.

Results have been decent on the whole, but also in keeping with the past 2/3 seasons.

I am giving him credit. Still I don't think we look great, I still am appalled at the things he says, and appalled at the way he handles his squad. Am I confident Tim can make us competitive v the top sides next season? Honestly? No. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. He's experimenting. He has some very good players at his disposal. We are winning games occasionally on the back of an inspired moment from an individual.

 

[Cochise]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Just read an article on todays press conference. The journo asking the questions must have been fed them by someone because it reads almost like a piece of cinema. They really want a reaction and something to spin so that when it comes down to the day he leaves they can go off on one about Spurs making his position untenable. The thing is the journalists are the ones constantly stirring the pot and building this up, but all people normally hear are the soundbites from Sherwoods mouth. When you hear the questions it changes things.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

What was he like?

Those that I know that have met him ( in passing ) say he is alright.

I met him on holiday, days before 'Arry got the chop.
He was staying at the same hotel as me; met him at breakfast one morning, he was on hols with his 3 kids, I was with my wife and kid. Strange enough, I clocked him and when I went to do a double take to see if it was him, he caught me and did the "alright mate" with no verbals but a nod.. smile.
Saw him at brekky for the next few days, our timings must have synched up. Always acknowledged me, and to be honest, I like to give "well known" people space, so didn't kiss his ****. About day 4, spoke to him on the Beach, and asked him about Modric.. he said he knew very little.
Apologies for the waffle, but I thought he was very friendly, unassuming, and certainly didn't give it the Big I am.
I saw him chatting to other Joe public, who I assume were more forward in their approach.
His Mrs was pretty fit (surprise...) but she was very pleasant and not diva like.

I know some of his interviews have been a bit questionable, as well as other aspects of the coaching role, and on the balance of it all, would prefer a replacement.
But at face value, he was polite and pretty humble to be honest, I don't hate the guy at all.

 

[DTA]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I met him on holiday, days before 'Arry got the chop.
He was staying at the same hotel as me; met him at breakfast one morning, he was on hols with his 3 kids, I was with my wife and kid. Strange enough, I clocked him and when I went to do a double take to see if it was him, he caught me and did the "alright mate" with no verbals but a nod.. smile.
Saw him at brekky for the next few days, our timings must have synched up. Always acknowledged me, and to be honest, I like to give "well known" people space, so didn't kiss his ****. About day 4, spoke to him on the Beach, and asked him about Modric.. he said he knew very little.
Apologies for the waffle, but I thought he was very friendly, unassuming, and certainly didn't give it the Big I am.
I saw him chatting to other Joe public, who I assume were more forward in their approach.
His Mrs was pretty fit (surprise...) but she was very pleasant and not diva like.

I know some of his interviews have been a bit questionable, as well as other aspects of the coaching role, and on the balance of it all, would prefer a replacement.
But at face value, he was polite and pretty humble to be honest, I don't hate the guy at all.

Was it in Turkey?my mate said that he met him on holiday as well.

 

[Baleforce]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

any notable tattoos?

 

[DTA]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

any notable tattoos?

Haha

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Was it in Turkey?my mate said that he met him on holiday as well.

No mate was Halkidiki; ref tatts, nothing visible.. always makes me laugh when I hear that rumour.

1)He's had it removed
2)It's somewhere "personal"
3)it's microscopic

 

[mudshark]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't mind Sherwood, really; I don't want him in the job next season, but that's just because I think he's underqualified and not ready for it yet. He strikes me as rather a self-publicist of the Redknapp school, and I'm instinctively suspicious of those types, but he doesn't rub me up the wrong way quite so much as yer man. Like one or two others, I'm a bit baffled by the level of some of the invective.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't mind Sherwood, really; I don't want him in the job next season, but that's just because I think he's underqualified and not ready for it yet. He strikes me as rather a self-publicist of the Redknapp school, and I'm instinctively suspicious of those types, but he doesn't rub me up the wrong way quite so much as yer man. Like one or two others, I'm a bit baffled by the level of some of the invective.

My views too, I liked 'Arry, until he revealed what a **** he was, the rubber faced phukk.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Tim Sherwood is reportedly a contender for the Premier League Manager of the Month award following an unbeaten run of the April fixtures.

If he wins it, this place will go into meltdown!

It will not change the fact that I simply have not enjoyed watching Spurs this season at the Lane, I have just found it boring

 

[Rorschach]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It will not change the fact that I simply have not enjoyed watching Spurs this season at the Lane, I have just found it boring

Do you not think that it has got a little more entertaining under Sherwood? I think it has.

I'm no Sherwood cheerleader btw, just curious as why people colour their view of the football on display with their opinion of the man.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm in the group that didn't know about his Spurs bashing/conduct in the media prior to joining our coaching team AND was willing to give him a chance despite many saying he was a cnut who had wormtongued his way into the job. Since his appointment I have made up my mind that I don't think he is the man to take us forward. Only a few on here have constantly ****ged him off since day one, many have become disenchanted with the bloke as the games have rolled by.

Out of interest Chancer. The Justin Bieber reference??? Are you saying that his stats (sales) don't change the fact that his product (album) is sh1te or are you saying that he's a sh1te but that doesn't stop him selling records?

I'd only even begin to take the Justin Bieber reference onboard if he'd come out and repeatedly said he was 'the most successful pop artist of the last 20 years'…for all his monstrous faults, Bieber's never actually tried to convince anyone he's the second coming of anything. He stands as what he is without any attempt to disguise it.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Anyone can fail at a job, a CV is the hiring organization's way of minimizing that risk early.

I have discussed this before, but again, people seem to ignore

- You don't "give a guy a chance" with something that potentially has an impact in the hundreds of millions of pounds, just not a good fiscal decision.
- The no one else argument is BS as well, to me Levy either really had someone in mind, talked to that person and got some assurances that he would have them in summer, hence TS was always a interim appointment, or both Levy/Baldini have some serious answering to do if they couldn't find someone with a better CV.

- Barca/Ajax/AC Milan are not good examples of how to base your management decisions due to
- The clubs have systems/ethos/etc. in place that have been in place for years that allow them to transition managers in/out a little less painfully
- Economically in their leagues, they are not really trying to compete above their bracket, as they are already in the top bracket.

My guess is that none of this has escaped the attention, and increasingly focussed-on-his-footie-investment- eyes of Joe Lewis.

 

[metalgear]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

from what i hear and see he is very good with the U21s but i think that's it.

he takes the first eleven like a U21 team. Main difference is in the specialization of roles as bodies mature and "harden" to the game they are developing into.
from this perspective you can understand why he doesn't take to the specialists e.g. Sandro on the pitch.

perhaps his next step would be a team with mostly young players e.g. swansea (?) and he can learn to work with the U23s.

that's not a top 4 challenging team where we need to play at a higher level, with a team of specialists working well together, adjusting out tactics and subs to get an advantage over the teams.

maybe if sherwood is patient enough to learn the ropes, he will become a top coach one day. but he is over his head right now with us.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm sorry mate, but TS has never gotten anything like the abuse Redknapp got, about his face, his tax stuff, some very nasty and personal **** was said about the guy all the time, for years.

Jenas/Lennon/Dawson get massive amount of stick for guys who were just long time servants of the club who put on the jersey and try their best for us (and maybe people don't think it's good enough, but if you look at those guys threads on this board and their personal twitter feeds that they will see, it's horribly embarrassing)

What is the horrible stick that TS gets? that people think he's unqualified for the job? (true) that they question his tactical ability (almost every manager), that they think he's dim (really, calling somebody dim is massive abuse now?), or reactions to **** that he brought on himself with his daily unadvised press statements? (big part of the **** Harry got as well).

I say again, the lack of perspective is from people who watch TS manage this club and the generally poor quality of football we are playing, and can only come back with

- A handpicked set of stats from a small sample pool
- Some vague notion that he "knows the club"
- Give a guy a chance

As some sort of valid reason the club should risk another season of chaos, player underperformance and fan unhappiness (yes we matter) by doing anything other than replacing the guy on the final day of season.

I find the constant sniping really boring and it makes having a decent conversation about Spurs near impossible at the moment.

There was some horrible stuff said about Redknapp and his detractors downplayed his record with us but it was only towards the end where that began to dominate discussion on here.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Just read an article on todays press conference. The journo asking the questions must have been fed them by someone because it reads almost like a piece of cinema. They really want a reaction and something to spin so that when it comes down to the day he leaves they can go off on one about Spurs making his position untenable. The thing is the journalists are the ones constantly stirring the pot and building this up, but all people normally hear are the soundbites from Sherwoods mouth. When you hear the questions it changes things.

I don't agree that the journalists are trying to spin a hard done by Tim story. They will try to sell papers off of him going and they will try to sell papers off of his replacement but there is no massive attachment to Sherwood in Fleet Street.

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Anyone can fail at a job, a CV is the hiring organization's way of minimizing that risk early.

I have discussed this before, but again, people seem to ignore

- You don't "give a guy a chance" with something that potentially has an impact in the hundreds of millions of pounds, just not a good fiscal decision.
- The no one else argument is BS as well, to me Levy either really had someone in mind, talked to that person and got some assurances that he would have them in summer, hence TS was always a interim appointment, or both Levy/Baldini have some serious answering to do if they couldn't find someone with a better CV.

- Barca/Ajax/AC Milan are not good examples of how to base your management decisions due to
- The clubs have systems/ethos/etc. in place that have been in place for years that allow them to transition managers in/out a little less painfully
- Economically in their leagues, they are not really trying to compete above their bracket, as they are already in the top bracket.

1) Hence good governance minimises that risk of losing millions whoever comes in - and with Baldini and Levy involved I think that in itself minimises the risk. Now I agree its a risk but its a risk whoever comes in no matter their CVs. In actual fact bringing someone else in, another 'temp' until a better Manager is found increases the risk of losing millions - transfers, pay off etc.

2) Bringing someone with a better CV is one thing, but bringing someone in who is RIGHT for our club is another - thats what separates success from failure in appointing a Manager. Like I say there has to be a middle ground between everyones desperation to get rid of Tim and bringing someone else in. The majority are so desperate for him to leave that there is no objective thinking. I keep banging this drum but at present the only Manager who I see fitting in is FDB.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I hear Daniel Levy throws half the CV's of manager applicants away before he even reads them.

He thus reduces the chances of employing an unlucky manager by 50%.

 

[harr1984]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Good results for me under Sherwood:

Spurs 3-0 Stoke
Man Utd 1-2 Spurs
Saudi Sportswashing Machine 0-4 Spurs
Tottenham 5-1 Sunderland

Some good other wins,
Southampton home and away (could have easily lost both though, felt a bit of a lottery)
Beating Palace 2-0 (Puncheon missed a pen)
Beating Everton 1-0 (Great result, but from far an assured performance)

Bad?

Arsenal 2-0
Arsenal 1-0
Chelsea 4-0
Emirates Marketing Project 5-1
Liverpool 4-0
Benfica 3-1

These games we were soundly beaten. In fact we looked dreadful. Arsenal 1-0 we were unlucky actually.

Results have been decent on the whole, but also in keeping with the past 2/3 seasons.

I am giving him credit. Still I don't think we look great, I still am appalled at the things he says, and appalled at the way he handles his squad. Am I confident Tim can make us competitive v the top sides next season? Honestly? No. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. He's experimenting. He has some very good players at his disposal. We are winning games occasionally on the back of an inspired moment from an individual.

You mention that the Benfica home result was a bad result but dont mention the away leg which was a good result and performance?

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You mention that the Benfica home result was a bad result but dont mention the away leg which was a good result and performance?

Yep fair point. Was a good performance