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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

Bedfordspurs said:
The comparison to any other protest is just another deflection tool from some people.
The death of Sarah Everard has crossed over and become a big thing here because she was a normal person doing a normal thing. The smoke and fire to the issue is the fact the accused is a copper... but there are killers and raps it’s why have worked in many environments including drs, firemen, and other public services. We don’t boycott them or target them.
The guy who did this is clearly a person with many issues and the fact t they caught him very quickly and his details are in the public domain means their evidence is vast and they have so far done their job
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Really dont think race should have been brought into this thing at all. It is about violence against women.

I started another thread after a few drinks so probably did not make much sense, but i will bet £100 with anyone on here that when the trial comes out this guy had sick violent porn on his computer.

Have said before how my wife works in social care as a therapist often at Lewes prison and also with criminals when they come out. The big issue around this for me is to do with violent porn and the effects it has one people. We all see youngsters copying their football star heroes with the goal celebrations (nice thing) what do you think watching hours of violent porn is going to do to people with issues?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
With the police like every organisation you can get a real mix of the spectrum (non-figuratively)
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The TV shows all portray them as these kind people who want to catch the bad guy, but my dealings with them have come across as lazy and not bothered not to dissimilar to teachers in that regard.
 
It shouldn’t be forgotten that there were other vigils taking place around the country, also with a police presence, that didn’t descend similarly.
 
Baleforce said:
It shouldn’t be forgotten that there were other vigils taking place around the country, also with a police presence, that didn’t descend similarly.
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There was still arrests and fines handed out.

Plus you get less attention seekers in these places as the media isn’t there.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Don't disagree, Labour not impressed me at all under Starmer and i wanted him in over Corbyn so pretty frustrated.

My point is, it has the square root of fudge all to do with BLM, people just want to show their frustration against ethnic minorities as usual. Absolutely no need to even bring BLM in, but of course, heaven forbid we look at racial justice for minorities.

Where was this outrage last week when Rangers were celebrating? Seen more complaints about BLM a year ago than Rangers fans and the subsequent policing.

End of the day, the Police massively fudged this up, but somehow people saying it's because she was white they wouldn't allow the protest? Idiocy.
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It’s all rubbish, people have got themselves in knots trying to defend one breaking of ridiculous covid rules with another just because it’s a cause they believe in.

As pointed out above it was a different set of laws back then and anyway.

There was a lot wrong with what happened on Saturday, the police over reacted but given the current rules the vigil/protest was against the rules and as it currently stands, anything above sitting on a bench with more than 1 person is considered unsafe apparently - That is not on the police and they are just enforcing the rules in place, the rules people have been pushing to be tougher and are now moaning about.

My view is that you should be able to protest whatever view you have - BLM/BNP/Lizard people - whatever.
 
Exactly, laws were different but doesn't stop people somehow blaming BLM for things? Showing some colours here with that...

Anyway, the Police surely have to undertake a risk assessment. "Is there a threat of violence going to occur".

In the case of Clapham, well 100000% no, there was never any chance of violence. Huge rooster up by the police.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The TV shows all portray them as these kind people who want to catch the bad guy, but my dealings with them have come across as lazy and not bothered not to dissimilar to teachers in that regard.
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Worth reading up on the Kriss Donald case
I’d never heard of it until a colleague from Glasgow mentioned it last week
 
Diamond Lights said:
Exactly, laws were different but doesn't stop people somehow blaming BLM for things? Showing some colours here with that...

Anyway, the Police surely have to undertake a risk assessment. "Is there a threat of violence going to occur".

In the case of Clapham, well 100000% no, there was never any chance of violence. Huge rooster up by the police.
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I’m not sure that’s the case, it would have been hijacked in some way, always some attention seekers.
 
Legohamster said:
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This sums it up nicely.
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I actually agree with that. The police got the response entirely wrong though, that's still my view, but then they're enacting laws passed by our government, aka the Tory party. Yet people like to ignore that, or certainly their voting base do?

The new protest bill that will be passed is really shocking, basically the law will allow the protest to be stopped if its too noisy? Getting closer and closer to that authoratarian life.
 
scaramanga said:
Driving at or near the speed limit makes me really sad, so the police should use common sense and let me drive however I like.
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Nice attempt - so close.

No, the police would monitor the situation and context and make a risk assessment.
This has a variety of outcomes, including a fixed penalty notice - which can be escalated to a court for judgement. They could monitor your driving and if you reduce your speed quickly they let you carry on your way; they could pull you over and talk to you re; your speed, giving you a warning. They could change you with speeding or dangerous driving etc.

In every situation a risk assessment is undertaken and the police have the option of interpreting how to apply within the nuances of the situation.
 
Legohamster said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1371119150656016403

Doesn’t look peaceful?

she’s basically gobbing in his face with the spit from shouting
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I know plenty of women that went to the vigil. The general feedback was that it was a peaceful event until two flashpoints occured:

1. A bunch of anti-lockdown/anti-mask type people (who were there for that specific reason) started getting in the faces of police officers
2. Police became very heavy-handed with women who were not inciting trouble. Thus ensuring a cyclical volatile atmosphere

I'm not sure twitter posts from flag nonces is going to give the full account.
 
AuroRaman said:
I know plenty of women that went to the vigil. The general feedback was that it was a peaceful event until two flashpoints occured:

1. A bunch of anti-lockdown/anti-mask type people (who were there for that specific reason) started getting in the faces of police officers
2. Police became very heavy-handed with women who were not inciting trouble. Thus ensuring a cyclical volatile atmosphere

I'm not sure twitter posts from flag nonces is going to give the full account.
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Whilst others there say it was far left groups that hijacked it.

Im not sure the accounts of those who are bias one way or another is going to give the full account.

The video is available via non flag nonces as well.

Plenty of reports of people shouting fudge the police.

The actions on the video are unacceptable behaviour given there is a pandemic, adjusting the mask meaning spit is going all over the policeman.
 
monkeybarry said:
Nice attempt - so close.

No, the police would monitor the situation and context and make a risk assessment.
This has a variety of outcomes, including a fixed pelanty notice - which can be escalated to a court for judgement. They could monitor your driving and if you reduce your speed quickly they let you carry on your way; they could pull you over and talk to you re; your speed, giving you a warning. They could change you with speeding or dangerous driving etc.

In every situation a risk assessment is undertaken and the police have the option of interpreting how to apply within the nuances of the situation.
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So the police didn't try other methods such as asking/telling people to disperse first?

That's a fairly bold claim.
 
Legohamster said:
Whilst others there say it was far left groups that hijacked it.

Im not sure the accounts of those who are bias one way or another is going to give the full account.

The video is available via non flag nonces as well.

Plenty of reports of people shouting fudge the police.

The actions on the video are unacceptable behaviour given there is a pandemic, adjusting the mask meaning spit is going all over the policeman.
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I don't care whether they're left or right, not sure why you needed to state that. They're macarons irrespective of political leaning.

I don't understand your second line? So everyone is biased, then why share anything?

That woman's reaction is unacceptable given the situation we are all in now. It's also very human if what witnesses say are true about police being heavy-handed with non-aggressive attendees.
 
AuroRaman said:
I don't care whether they're left or right, not sure why you needed to state that. They're my tits irrespective of political leaning.

I don't understand your second line? So everyone is biased, then why share anything?

That woman's reaction is unacceptable given the situation we are all in now. It's also very human.
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I stated it because you said the people you spoke to are blaming anti masker groups for it turning into farce.

Im not sure people who went and broke current lockdown regulations are going to give a full account either, seeing as they are partly in the wrong as well.

It’s also right she was arrested.
 
Legohamster said:
I stated it because you said the people you spoke to are blaming anti masker groups for it turning into farce.

Im not sure people who went and broke current lockdown regulations are going to give a full account either, seeing as they are partly in the wrong as well.

It’s also right she was arrested.
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So you're saying all anti-masker groups are far right?
 
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