Richarlison

[parj]

Richarlison

They like busy work. Why have technique when you can run around a lot to no avail?

At no point. In his time here has he been good enough but the litany of excuses and allowances are numerous. I get the idea that you want to support your players and even a degree of myopicness when it comes to evaluating your own players but jeez, he's been brick for the vast majority of his time here no point lying about it. Got him from a relegation battle and now...we are relegation battlers.

Yet he is our top scorer this season, in a team that has been poor.

The issue isn't richarlison. He is our best striker. He didn't sign himself for us, we signed him.

A lot of the strikers ahead of him get a lot more chances created than we do. He isn't going to score with 75% of his chances. According to StatMuse his a chance to goal conversion is 17.9%.... Haaland is 19%. Let's get the striker more chances in the box.

 

[Bishop]

Yet he is our top scorer this season, in a team that has been poor.

The issue isn't richarlison. He is our best striker. He didn't sign himself for us, we signed him.

A lot of the strikers ahead of him get a lot more chances created than we do. He isn't going to score with 75% of his chances. According to StatMuse his a chance to goal conversion is 17.9%.... Haaland is 19%. Let's get the striker more chances in the box.

Our forwards as a whole are brick. The best scorer of a bad bunch is still a bad bunch.

I agree we don't create much, but having a striker who is totally reliant on service is a backwards step. A quality forward is someone you can give the ball to under some modicum of pressure and reasonable expectations them not to lose it immediately. Then add that, that very same striker is not even a reliable finisher or controller of the ball it's a massive problem.

A good amount of why we struggle to create is because our use and possession of the ball in the final third is soooo poor and Richy is a massive part of that. The man man simply cannot control a ball with any consistency nor can he link play or keep attacking plays moving. He actively contributes to our poor use of the ball in the final third, then add we get nothing from the right and basically nothing from the left then yes the lack of chances creation makes sense, but a striker who cannot create for themselves or shift the ball to get a shot off or who has such poor technique is a problem a big problem as we see week after week and at this point year after year.

I'm not interested in settling for mediocrity.

 

[clownfoot]

which EPL team has been and is fearful of Richy at everton?

Liverpool. Their fans hate playing against him

He fights. He will continue to fight. Right now we need that and have no one else. So until he leaves us he will have my 100% support. I actually think he’s playing through injury right now.

As a club who was the last striker of quality we signed that was a success? Defoe returning? Adebayor? Kane coming through the ranks and developing into the best no.9 in world football stopped us spaffing £50m every summer on a new flop

 

[Muttley]

I agree we don't create much, but having a striker who is totally reliant on service is a backwards step. A quality forward is someone you can give the ball to under some modicum of pressure and reasonable expectations them not to lose it immediately. Then add that, that very same striker is not even a reliable finisher or controller of the ball it's a massive problem.

I do like the school of thought seeing the difference between not getting service and not doing anything about it yourself as a striker. There are strikers out there who will constantly be on the move to receive the ball to feet, chest or head. They're happy to take the hits from the big centre halves but never stop finding that clear line between themselves and the man who has the ball. They work on the basis that every pass can be to them as the outlet. It's especially prevalent in this modern PL where physicality is everything. It's sort of why Harry went from being my favourite ever striker to one that I was happy to call out on match days in many key moments. Don't blame him for leaving the PL. As a 27 year old he stopped really doing that early career stuff. The injuries perhaps took their toll and H was scared to take the hits that these big centre halves give you. He started deliberately jumping early and slightly ahead of what is optimal position. He was often on the way back down and a yard in front of the defender as they headed it away easy. He also wasn't on the move any more where he could relieve the pressure on his team mates. That wasn't the Harry I fell in love with from his early career. He had everything apart from perhaps express pace and especially the ability to give as good as he got from the centre halves. Even with the pace thing he hired a sprint coach to optimise what he had. I always respected him for that.

With Richi, he hasn't got an ounce of that first touch ability H had with any part of his body unfortunately. Prime Dom is much closer at playing with his back to goal and feeding others in. However, it's Hobson's choice at this point. Either the team setup has to compromise to Richi in the way we did with H. Alternatively, we have to get Richi to play to the team setup and accept the compromise. The latter is the answer as you would never build a setup around a player like Richi. He's just not at that level. So Richi will accommodate RDZ's tactics as much as he can and it will continue to look clumsy. The good news is that nobody is surprised when Richi, Tel or Muani score. I now believe one of them will score every single game. Kudus to RDZ for that.

It will be interesting how much more physical Lanks has got on his return to the club. He does sort of have that thick set build that we had with Harry. You never know.

 

[Zavod 311]

if he had half a football brain he'd take two touches
falls when he should stand, shoots when he should pass too
awful player and ever since he joined we've been on a steady decline
don't see what you guys see in him

that whole falling on the floor thing he does drives me nuts

 

[metalgear]

Ah hang on. When we bought Richy, we had Kane, Son and Kulu across the front. He was brought in to battle with them.

It was far from our standards slipping. Prior to that, we were bringing in the likes of Janssen for much less money for that position. Richy has a lot of limitations, I think he's technically awful at this level, but he was PL proven and wasn't brought in as our main striker.

richy was brought in because kane was going to Emirates Marketing Project or we thought he would.
i just looked up 21/22 and patrick bamford and olise had scored more than richy. i could see bamford and olise in a spurs team in terms of style - and richy hasn't changed much since then

 

[metalgear]

Liverpool. Their fans hate playing against him

He fights. He will continue to fight. Right now we need that and have no one else. So until he leaves us he will have my 100% support. I actually think he’s playing through injury right now.

As a club who was the last striker of quality we signed that was a success? Defoe returning? Adebayor? Kane coming through the ranks and developing into the best no.9 in world football stopped us spaffing £50m every summer on a new flop

yeah he fights and he is all we have right now, but 60 mil for him is crazy and we should have sold him asap if he was not going to fit our brand of football. i can't imagine being a midfielder trying to feed richy because most of the time he will fall and/or lose the ball turning into a quick counter. that's why TF wanted to slow the game down and relied on set pieces because richy was all he had.

liverpool love to hate richy because of his petty rivalry and see him as an annoyance more than a threat.

 

[DeanoAustin]

richy was brought in because kane was going to Emirates Marketing Project or we thought he would.
i just looked up 21/22 and patrick bamford and olise had scored more than richy. i could see bamford and olise in a spurs team in terms of style - and richy hasn't changed much since then

No he wasn't. Kane had his City strop in the summer of 2021 when Nuno was manager. Richy was bought the season after when Conte was manager.

In 2021/22 Bamford did not score more than Richy. He did the year before.

 

[parj]

I do like the school of thought seeing the difference between not getting service and not doing anything about it yourself as a striker. There are strikers out there who will constantly be on the move to receive the ball to feet, chest or head. They're happy to take the hits from the big centre halves but never stop finding that clear line between themselves and the man who has the ball. They work on the basis that every pass can be to them as the outlet. It's especially prevalent in this modern PL where physicality is everything. It's sort of why Harry went from being my favourite ever striker to one that I was happy to call out on match days in many key moments. Don't blame him for leaving the PL. As a 27 year old he stopped really doing that early career stuff. The injuries perhaps took their toll and H was scared to take the hits that these big centre halves give you. He started deliberately jumping early and slightly ahead of what is optimal position. He was often on the way back down and a yard in front of the defender as they headed it away easy. He also wasn't on the move any more where he could relieve the pressure on his team mates. That wasn't the Harry I fell in love with from his early career. He had everything apart from perhaps express pace and especially the ability to give as good as he got from the centre halves. Even with the pace thing he hired a sprint coach to optimise what he had. I always respected him for that.

With Richi, he hasn't got an ounce of that first touch ability H had with any part of his body unfortunately. Prime Dom is much closer at playing with his back to goal and feeding others in. However, it's Hobson's choice at this point. Either the team setup has to compromise to Richi in the way we did with H. Alternatively, we have to get Richi to play to the team setup and accept the compromise. The latter is the answer as you would never build a setup around a player like Richi. He's just not at that level. So Richi will accommodate RDZ's tactics as much as he can and it will continue to look clumsy. The good news is that nobody is surprised when Richi, Tel or Muani score. I now believe one of them will score every single game. Kudus to RDZ for that.

It will be interesting how much more physical Lanks has got on his return to the club. He does sort of have that thick set build that we had with Harry. You never know.

I don't get how people think Solanke is more prolific. He has had one season with 10 or more goals.... Richy has scored 10 or more in 5 seasons.

I get Solanke can do the hold up, the pressing etc, but his job is to get goals. He is hardly in the box. Richy gets there. It's crazy to spend £60m on striker than can press. Solanke isn't that good at holding the ball up near the box, his assists show that. He does most of his hold up play closer to the half way line.

Two very different strikers. But one is clearly better and scoring than the other.

It's all opinions, but for me, a striker scores goals.

 

[thfcsteff]

Richarlison isn't a good player. I've been consistent since the day we bought him because I watched a ton of this guy at Watford and then Everton. I knew it would play out like this because he is what he is. Do you not want to win? Do you not want to be successful? If you do why do you rate Richy and why would you want him playing for us? The man clearly isn't good enough.

In 2022 there are loads of preferable players to him. David, Ominshen (this was before the massive hype train), we could have been looking at a prospect Gonzalo Ramos, Saudi Sportswashing Machine bought Isak that very same summer a gamble yes but if you'd watched him for Sociedad he did look like he had the potential to breakthrough, Serhou Guirassy would have been a bit of a speculative gamble also but a wiser take then going for Richarlison a player we could already see if you had paid any attention to wasn't up to the standard required. If PL experience was a requirement then there was of course Toney.

I don't even begrudge the attempt truly, I just begrudge the stubbornness of keeping this guy for the following 4 years when we should have sold him after the very first season. There is nothing about his time here that has surprised me. Today I don't watch as much football as I used to (young children etc) so it's hard for me to really pick a name from around Europe like I used to be able to, but honestly I'd say almost anyone. Someone who can consistently control ball first time would be nice, someone with reasonable technique as well would be nice. It isn't difficult to improve in Richy, most PL teams have more competent strikers than him.

I wanted Oshimen back then too. Mates wanted Isaak (I admit to not being convinced on him). I wanted Ekitike, I also really wanted Doue. Our single biggest issue was Kane. He is so good that no-one of elite was coming in to be his backup.

I don't think Richarlison is as terrible as you do, and frankly, his goal record when he gets a run of games shows that. The two biggest issues are that we overpaid for a player who has had big injury issues. Like we overpaid for Solanke. And in each case, the player was seen as a 'replacement for) rather than a second striker.

 

[thfcsteff]

Richarlison isn't a good player. I've been consistent since the day we bought him because I watched a ton of this guy at Watford and then Everton. I knew it would play out like this because he is what he is. Do you not want to win? Do you not want to be successful? If you do why do you rate Richy and why would you want him playing for us? The man clearly isn't good enough.

In 2022 there are loads of preferable players to him. David, Ominshen (this was before the massive hype train), we could have been looking at a prospect Gonzalo Ramos, Saudi Sportswashing Machine bought Isak that very same summer a gamble yes but if you'd watched him for Sociedad he did look like he had the potential to breakthrough, Serhou Guirassy would have been a bit of a speculative gamble also but a wiser take then going for Richarlison a player we could already see if you had paid any attention to wasn't up to the standard required. If PL experience was a requirement then there was of course Toney.

I don't even begrudge the attempt truly, I just begrudge the stubbornness of keeping this guy for the following 4 years when we should have sold him after the very first season. There is nothing about his time here that has surprised me. Today I don't watch as much football as I used to (young children etc) so it's hard for me to really pick a name from around Europe like I used to be able to, but honestly I'd say almost anyone. Someone who can consistently control ball first time would be nice, someone with reasonable technique as well would be nice. It isn't difficult to improve in Richy, most PL teams have more competent strikers than him.

I wanted Oshi on

I think the dilemma with Richi has always been whether he's a striker or a left forward. For me, he's unfortunately not ticking either box nowadays whereas when he was at Watford and Everton I thought he was a real nuisance on the left. He certainly doesn't look a stylistic fit for what we need based on his hold up play and ability to link play together. That first touch of his lets him down often.

I try to look at the positives though. The price tag isn't his fault and all he has ever done is give 100%. We also went through 2 seasons where we had written him off as the next Anderton or Lamela with a constant list of injuries. He was never available for team selection at the times we needed to. I'm really happy he's got himself through that phase.

We have to fix the striker situation for next season.

Excellent and utterly rational post.

 

[thfcsteff]

richy was brought in because kane was going to Emirates Marketing Project or we thought he would.
i just looked up 21/22 and patrick bamford and olise had scored more than richy. i could see bamford and olise in a spurs team in terms of style - and richy hasn't changed much since then

Olise was a huge miss but he is not a CF. Bamford? No thanks.

 

[thfcsteff]

yeah he fights and he is all we have right now, but 60 mil for him is crazy and we should have sold him asap if he was not going to fit our brand of football. i can't imagine being a midfielder trying to feed richy because most of the time he will fall and/or lose the ball turning into a quick counter. that's why TF wanted to slow the game down and relied on set pieces because richy was all he had.

liverpool love to hate richy because of his petty rivalry and see him as an annoyance more than a threat.

I would like to see us buy and play midfielders who dream of feeding anyone!!!!

 

[thfcsteff]

@Bishop @metalgear I hope you can flip your opinion paradigm for two more matches because like it or not, we really, really fudging need him to make his 10 EPL goals this season 11, 12, 13...

 

[Muttley]

I don't get how people think Solanke is more prolific. He has had one season with 10 or more goals.... Richy has scored 10 or more in 5 seasons.

I get Solanke can do the hold up, the pressing etc, but his job is to get goals. He is hardly in the box. Richy gets there. It's crazy to spend £60m on striker than can press. Solanke isn't that good at holding the ball up near the box, his assists show that. He does most of his hold up play closer to the half way line.

Two very different strikers. But one is clearly better and scoring than the other.

It's all opinions, but for me, a striker scores goals.

Nah, not sure Solanke is more prolific than Richi to be fair. I just think Richi has always done most of his best work from the left even if he's selected as the nine. Neither is prolific. Harry was prolific. Nailed on. Sonny could be prolific at times, but seemed to score his goals in batches.

The assist observation I find interesting. Harry's best output was 14 league assists in a season that he got 23 goals in. That then started reducing drastically over 3 or 4 years. In that final season where he got 30 goals he only contributed 3 assists. Just shows how subtle this stuff is. It's all about how you set things up. When Ange first moved to our club, Harry had just left. We scored a couple more goals as a team in Ange's first season but it wasn't based on Solanke assuming Kane's role. It was based on goals coming from everywhere, with the trade off that all 10 outfielders had to bust a gut. Interesting change from building things around a world class striker.

The dilemma for RDZ is how you build it when you haven't got that quality to call upon and your most creative players like Madds, Kulu and Kudus aren't starters. If you don't have assists then you definitely don't have goals right? If you don't have passers then you don't have assisters then you don't get goals. It's a journey that hopefully RDZ will get us through in the next phase.

It's why these manager earn the big bucks.

 

[robp135]

I wanted Oshimen back then too. Mates wanted Isaak (I admit to not being convinced on him). I wanted Ekitike, I also really wanted Doue. Our single biggest issue was Kane. He is so good that no-one of elite was coming in to be his backup.

I don't think Richarlison is as terrible as you do, and frankly, his goal record when he gets a run of games shows that. The two biggest issues are that we overpaid for a player who has had big injury issues. Like we overpaid for Solanke. And in each case, the player was seen as a 'replacement for) rather than a second striker.

I still think Oshimen would be attainable. If we were prepared to pay £60M and £250k PW to Semenyo.