Politics, politics, politics

[scaramanga]

Not since 2016 they haven't been. They're the fudge business and the no-such-thing-as-society party.

They started fudging business a good way before that.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

They already signed up to the EU state aid and competition laws as part of the withdrawal agreement, so big business is safe in its dominance

No-one apart from you and Steptoe gives a tuppeny fudge about state aid. Businesses do care a lot about access to staff and markets, though.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

They started fudging business a good way before that.

Are you thinking of the corn laws?

 

[Gutter Boy]

No-one apart from you and Steptoe gives a tuppeny fudge about state aid. Businesses do care a lot about access to staff and markets, though.

So you think big business should be able to sue governments for not giving market access to public services?

It's obviously fun when its about West Ham's stadium. But when Richard Branson sues the NHS...

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

You are muddling state aid with procurement law and contestability. Not for the first time, IIRC.

 

[Gutter Boy]

You are muddling state aid with procurement law and contestability. Not for the first time, IIRC.

It's all part of the same package. EU state aid laws, and May's new submission to them, are what prevents us from properly renationalising amenities and transport

 

[monkeybarry]

And anyone living dangerously close to sea level, of course.

Here's the new stadium without an Amazon rain forest: http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=51.6024,-0.0618&zoom=13&m=20

Sweet, my house is right on the water's edge!!
I'm getting a moat!!

 

[the dza]

If you don't vote left wing when you are young, you've got no heart

If you don't vote right right when you are middle age, you've got no brains

And so it has always been

Most middle-aged voters voted Labour at the last election too iirc. It's the over 60s who get us a Tory government.

 

[monkeybarry]

If you don't vote left wing when you are young, you've got no heart

If you don't vote right right when you are middle age, you've had the opportunities of prosperity and wealth growth squeezed by the middle aged Tories before you, so fcuk em.

And so it has always been

FTFY

 

[scaramanga]

Are you thinking of the corn laws?

Mainly the destructive stealth tax of minimum wage

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

If you don't vote left wing when you are young, you've got no heart

If you don't vote right right when you are middle age, you've got no brains

And so it has always been

What an insightful comment....NOT! Got anymore right wing cliché statements?

 

[Gutter Boy]

What an insightful comment....NOT! Got anymore right wing cliché statements?

It's a famous old quote, I'm not sure who by

It's pretty logical anyway - when you don't have a stake in society you are inclined to upheaval, when you have a stake you tend to want to preserve the status quo. So advancing age and becoming more right wing are always directly correlated

 

[scaramanga]

It's a famous old quote, I'm not sure who by

It's pretty logical anyway - when you don't have a stake in society you are inclined to upheaval, when you have a stake you tend to want to preserve the status quo. So advancing age and becoming more right wing are always directly correlated

Unless the subject fails at life.

 

[the dza]

 

[the dza]

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

It's a famous old quote, I'm not sure who by

It's pretty logical anyway - when you don't have a stake in society you are inclined to upheaval, when you have a stake you tend to want to preserve the status quo. So advancing age and becoming more right wing are always directly correlated

Some old crusty right wing nut job most likely.

 

[scaramanga]

Some old crusty right wing nut job most likely.

Well of course.

If he was old enough and successful enough in British politics to be listened to, then (assuming he was of sound mind) he must have been a conservative.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

Well of course.

If he was old enough and successful enough in British politics to be listened to, then (assuming he was of sound mind) he must have been a conservative.

A) It was originally a Frenchman. Clemenceau. He also said that military intelligence was to intelligence what military music is to music, and that Americans "have no capacity for abstract thought, and make bad coffee", bless him. Difficult to pin down, our Georges was.

B) It's not only a trite thought in its current formulation, though, it's impossible to apply to the current soi-disant Conservative party. That's a weird mixture of nostalgic, nationalistic romantics and dogmatic laissez-faireists, which mainly appeals to people too old to have a stake in society or a pragmatic interest in defending its wealth. @the dza's first chart exposes the lie rather well.

 

[scaramanga]

A) It was originally a Frenchman. Clemenceau. He also said that military intelligence was to intelligence what military music is to music, and that Americans "have no capacity for abstract thought, and make bad coffee", bless him. Difficult to pin down, our George was.

B) It's not only a trite thought in its current formulation, though, it's impossible to apply to the current soi-disant Conservative party, that weird mixture of nostalgic, nationalistic romantics and dogmatic laissez-faireists, which mainly appeals to people too old to have a stake in society or a pragmatic interest in defending its wealth. @dza's first chart exposes the lie rather well.

A) I believe it's been attributed to one of the Whigs a little earlier than that
B) The current Conservative party are not what I recognise as conservatives.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

B) The current Conservative party are not what I recognise as conservatives.

We can definitely agree on that.