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@Gazza genuinely sorry to hear about the experiences that have shaped your negativity towards Islam. But your posts are propagating so many anti muslim tropes. Firstly, by lumping over a billion people together as one homogeneous, homophobic, women oppressing group who follow only Sharia law. And by claiming they will threaten your life if you criticise their religion - which is clearly not the case with @LutonSpurs . There will no doubt be people practicing Islam who fit that profile. But as you know, any large human group dynamic has within it people who hold a wide spectrum of views, some of them extreme. Whether those groups are based around religion, politics sport or just an online community even. As I've said before you are clearly an intelligent and articulate poster so I've found your posts in this thread surprising.
 
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scaramanga said:
There's a section of this forum (and the country in general) that wants to conflate a dislike of a religion with a dislike of a race. That way, then can jump up and down shouting "Racist" every time that religion is criticised.
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I think you are being disingenuous here. it feels like you have invented this artificial line between religion and race to amplify your dislike of Islam and Muslims. In reality the boundaries are far more blurred than you are making out. The attacks against muslims are rarely about religious ideology alone, because Islamic ideology, (what I know of it) is not homogeneous but wrapped up with cultural beliefs and appearances too.

The All Party Parliamentary Group published a report in 2018 describing islamophobia in the following terms:-

In the West, Islam has been racialised. This means that “Muslimness” is given a racial character, and ascribed with the quality of non-Whiteness. And so whilst “markers of Muslimness” vary based on gender, such as certain attire (hijab, taqiyah) or facial hair (beards), they broadly include a South Asian, West Asian or North African phenotype (facial features and skin colour), as well as South Asian, West Asian or North African cultural markers such as food and music. This means that anyone who looks (or acts) “Brown” or “Middle Eastern” is a potential target of Islamophobia, since everyone who looks “Brown” or “Middle Eastern” is conflated with “Muslimness”. Islamophobia is therefore based on stereotyping entire regions with many different peoples and cultures into one homogenous group. There are documented instances of South Asians (many of whom are Sikh, but also Hindus and Christians), Black men with beards, but also Central and Eastern European migrant men, being targeted by Islamophobic abuse.

Understanding how Islamophobia also targets non-Muslims allows us to further understand how Islamophobia functions as racism. Islamophobia turns Muslims, but also those perceived to be Muslim, into “racialised Others”.

I think this articulates really well how the lines between islamophobia and racism are blurred. Ironically not so dissimilar to your point about the cultural heritage of Jews and the antisemitism you rightly abhor.
 
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LutonSpurs said:
I think what she was intending was terrorism.
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A lot will depend on the assessed mental state and thought process in the lead up to her actions.

intent to kill or cause harm to advance a political goal or ideology is the bit of the terrorism act that would seem to fit but it might be easier to prosecute under "normal" laws if you don't see the benefit in terms of using terrorism legislation.
 
Robspur12 said:
@Gazza genuinely sorry to hear about the experiences that have shaped your negativity towards Islam. But your posts are propagating so many anti muslim tropes. Firstly, by lumping over a billion people together as one homogeneous, homophobic, women oppressing group who follow only Sharia law. And by claiming they will threaten your life if you criticise their religion - which is clearly not the case with @LutonSpurs . There will no doubt be people practicing Islam who fit that profile. But as you know, any large human group dynamic has within it people who hold a wide spectrum of views, some of them extreme. Whether those groups are based around religion, politics sport or just an online community even. As I've said before you are clearly an intelligent and articulate poster so I've found your posts in this thread surprising.
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As ever, superbly articulated mate. Thank you.
 
Robspur12 said:
@Gazza genuinely sorry to hear about the experiences that have shaped your negativity towards Islam. But your posts are propagating so many anti muslim tropes. Firstly, by lumping over a billion people together as one homogeneous, homophobic, women oppressing group who follow only Sharia law. And by claiming they will threaten your life if you criticise their religion - which is clearly not the case with @LutonSpurs . There will no doubt be people practicing Islam who fit that profile. But as you know, any large human group dynamic has within it people who hold a wide spectrum of views, some of them extreme. Whether those groups are based around religion, politics sport or just an online community even. As I've said before you are clearly an intelligent and articulate poster so I've found your posts in this thread surprising.
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Thank you
 
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