Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

I think most people can tell the difference between strong, decisive bosses versus people who bully.

I can tell you from my experiences that it is not always the case, I have come out of meeting with people have cried bullying for being pushed harder.

I have had many meeting with directors who see talent and push them and the person not take to that as intended and looked at as bullying, usually in those cases i opt comes down to different ambitions.

I have seen people not being given time out the office for trivial matters calling bullying when the playing field is the same for all.

Not saying this is the case but we shouting and swearing is not necessarily bullying

 

[Grays_1890]

Especially when you consider the kind of people attracted to jobs as civil servants.

I said before on here, working next to Lunar House in Croydon for years exposed me to that, hoards of the middle aged women in pairs drinking two bottles of wine at lunch moaning about the job not being the exact same as when they started 25 years ago etc. Boasting about their refusal to do the job how asked. Not exactly a good look

 

[Favour]

Because the EU does not need a flag. They created the flag because they wanted to become a political union rather then a trade organisation they were set up for. If you put the EU flag alongside your name it says your a fervent supporter of "the project"

Johnson will be forever known as the prime minister who took us out of "the project" by putting the EU flag in his twitter profile he is not even being subtle about his feelings, it can then bring into question what he says.

Would not trust an American who put the Confederate flag on their profile. It is too political.

Someone has the EU flag on their profile, whether you support or dislike the EU it does not matter there being to political.

Don't agree with you at all. Thanks for your reply though.

 

[scaramanga]

I said before on here, working next to Lunar House in Croydon for years exposed me to that, hoards of the middle aged women in pairs drinking two bottles of wine at lunch moaning about the job not being the exact same as when they started 25 years ago etc. Boasting about their refusal to do the job how asked. Not exactly a good look

The "wine for lunch" crowd are nowhere near as bad as the grazers. You know the ones that think their desk is where they eat snacks all day long and fit some work in between mouthfuls? They staff most NHS desks from experience too.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

I said before on here, working next to Lunar House in Croydon for years exposed me to that, hoards of the middle aged women in pairs drinking two bottles of wine at lunch moaning about the job not being the exact same as when they started 25 years ago etc. Boasting about their refusal to do the job how asked. Not exactly a good look

Sadly there are always people who can't adapt to change (or who don't want to) and who can't/won't accept that organisations have to move with the times. Usually those people are eventually moved on or leave of their own accord.
But if any organisation has "hoards" of its employees downing multiple bottles of wine for lunch whilst moaning about their job on a regular basis, then yes, it's certainly not a good look and I'd suggest there is also something fundamentally wrong within that organisation and how it manages change.

 

[Grays_1890]

Sadly there are always people who can't adapt to change (or who don't want to) and who can't/won't accept that organisations have to move with the times. Usually those people are eventually moved on or leave of their own accord.
But if any organisation has "hoards" of its employees downing multiple bottles of wine for lunch whilst moaning about their job on a regular basis, then yes, it's certainly not a good look and I'd suggest there is also something fundamentally wrong within that organisation and how it manages change.

More to do with job protectionism than drowning tools, not shy about boasting about that.

 

[markysimmo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330482102530355201

 

[Diamond Lights]

Lifelong Tory voter and I'm not sure I could vote for the party in the next election, since the last election it's been one lie and shambles after another

if you don't mind me asking, why do you vote Tory, like what are the policies that work for you personally?

I ask because as i've stated previously, given my earnings profile i should be Tory all day and have previously voted for them, but i can't stand them now.

 

[Grays_1890]

The "wine for lunch" crowd are nowhere near as bad as the grazers. You know the ones that think their desk is where they eat snacks all day long and fit some work in between mouthfuls? They staff most NHS desks from experience too.

I think they are one or the same. Bowls of Cheesy Chips and two bottles of house white in the Bedford Tavern in Croydon and whallop

 

[Grays_1890]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330482102530355201

Not a good look

 

[SpurMeUp]

The biggest lie the devil told was voting Tory made you part of the elite. There has to be an aspirational element to folks in lower-income brackets voting Tory. I do respect their views. Certainly a belief in self-determination, efficiency and private enterprise makes sense to me, but I have always been baffled by poorer folks voting to keep an elite rich and privileged; which is what a vote for the Conservatives has meant traditionally.

In other news at least there will be toilets on the motorway, thanks to Brexit

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330890806480281601

 

[scaramanga]

The biggest lie the devil told was voting Tory made you part of the elite. There has to be an aspirational element to folks in lower-income brackets voting Tory. I do respect their views. Certainly a belief in self-determination, efficiency and private enterprise makes sense to me, but I have always been baffled by poorer folks voting to keep an elite rich and privileged; which is what a vote for the Conservatives has meant traditionally.

In other news at least there will be toilets on the motorway, thanks to Brexit

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330890806480281601

Much like the old saying about dressing for the job one wants, people often vote for the government they want to need.

People realise their lot isn't final and many have ambitions wya beyond their current status.

Some, obviously do not have that ambition and are happy to vote for a party of short term handouts.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Much like the old saying about dressing for the job one wants, people often vote for the government they want to need.

People realise their lot isn't final and many have ambitions wya beyond their current status.

Some, obviously do not have that ambition and are happy to vote for a party of short term handouts.

Personally I think that is a false dichotomy. Any sensible system would cherry pick the best elements from both left and right - why wouldn’t you? Ideology and football like loyalty to a party or cause can be hugely damaging.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

 

[Grays_1890]

Personally I think that is a false dichotomy. Any sensible system would cherry pick the best elements from both left and right - why wouldn’t you? Ideology and football like loyalty to a party or cause can be hugely damaging.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

I have said that for a while on here, there are parts of each that together would be a great marriage but it seems like you said football like loyalty does not allow people to see that. You see it on here, you dare say something bad about those you support or praise the opposition you get a label, its the same in politics.

 

[scaramanga]

Personally I think that is a false dichotomy. Any sensible system would cherry pick the best elements from both left and right - why wouldn’t you? Ideology and football like loyalty to a party or cause can be hugely damaging.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

That's not done precisely because this isn't someone supporting a team.

This is economics and, whilst theories vary wildly, the ones I find convincing do not fit with left wing ideals.

 

[SpurMeUp]

That's not done precisely because this isn't someone supporting a team.

This is economics and, whilst theories vary wildly, the ones I find convincing do not fit with left wing ideals.

Tbh I think you're wrong on both fronts. Firstly, by your logic, all younger people should vote Conservative because in this society most young people have dreams of making money and being successful. But the young don't tend to vote Tory, the old do!

Your belief in a form of economics is absolutely I00% ideological. It rejects other interesting outlooks and complexities and your approach is poorer for it. Why wouldn't you wish to take the successes from left-wing governments' policies around the world? That's supporting your team over bothering to look around you. Fine for football, not so for political efficacity.

 

[Grays_1890]

Your belief in a form of economics is absolutely I00% ideological. It rejects other interesting outlooks and complexities and your approach is poorer for it. Why wouldn't you wish to take the successes from left-wing governments' policies around the world? That's supporting your team over bothering to look around you. Fine for football, not so for political efficacity.

You cant feed an effective socialist society without a good economy though. What I notice from the hardcore socialists though or the sense I get is there is some kind of victory in being poor.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Well I suppose there is an element of Marxism that puts the collective over material possessions. Old Marxists might shun wealth over happiness, as it were. And maybe there is some truth to that. The isolated billionaire versus the poor man with 100 friends living and laughing together. Of course communism never delivered Marx envisaged: which was a short working week, with workers fishing etc. as they had a share of the company they worked for.

The funny thing is, the countries with the highest prevalence of millionaires are socialist. They invest in education, have quite high taxes and strong welfare states. I don't automatically follow this model myself, but it is hard to argue with Scandinavian society's successes. There are certainly things to learn from them on how to work cross-part and develop education systems.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Personally I think that is a false dichotomy. Any sensible system would cherry pick the best elements from both left and right - why wouldn’t you? Ideology and football like loyalty to a party or cause can be hugely damaging.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

Often thought similar. Never understood people that only voted for one party. They are not the messiah and I should know I have followed a few.

We are overdue a labour government. Would have voted for them last time had Corbyn not dallied on pulling out of the EU.

Actually wonder if I should have been in the north or Midlands as my voting history pretty much matches that area over 30 years.

It is why if we pull out of the EU and Labour dont try and take us back in, I confidently predict an absolute landslide for Labour, probably the biggest in history.

 

[scaramanga]

Tbh I think you're wrong on both fronts. Firstly, by your logic, all younger people should vote Conservative because in this society most young people have dreams of making money and being successful. But the young don't tend to vote Tory, the old do!

Your belief in a form of economics is absolutely I00% ideological. It rejects other interesting outlooks and complexities and your approach is poorer for it. Why wouldn't you wish to take the successes from left-wing governments' policies around the world? That's supporting your team over bothering to look around you. Fine for football, not so for political efficacity.

Those "successes" are at the cost of the hard working and successful. I don't consider that to be a success.

Younger people used to vote Conservative, that probably tells you more about the ambition of current younger generations than it does any wider political point.