Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[LutonSpurs]

I've yet to read the full report, but from what I understand the accusations are shouting and swearing at people. That's not bullying by any stretch, except to the most fragile of little snowflakes. That's not

Do we even know whether or not that person deserved that treatment? Were they competent or typical civil servants?

Swearing and shouting at people who aren't comfortable with that kind of management has no place in any workplace. It's bullying. And yes it's subjective but you absolutely cannot generalise that it's ok to do. We both manage people and you know this is true

 

[scaramanga]

Swearing and shouting at people who aren't comfortable with that kind of management has no place in any workplace. It's bullying. And yes it's subjective but you absolutely cannot generalise that it's ok to do. We both manage people and you know this is true

I rarely (if ever) need to shout at anyone. Swear all the time but that's just my vocabulary.

I'd never even consider employing the kind of person who couldn't cope with a bit of shouting and swearing. What kind of fanny is that?

 

[spurspinter1]

Laurence Fox (who i'm still not sure really who he is, why he's famous, but also desperate to be a poster boy for the right), tweets about Fairytale of New York and how the 'left' are trying to ban the song due to the word faggot.

The Pogues respond:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329394157354446850

Glorious.

I fudging love Lewis but this guy is making it tough to re-watch day by day...

 

[Favour]

He has the EU flag in his twitter profile which is a red flag and calls everything he says into question.

Why does it?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Why does it?

Because the EU does not need a flag. They created the flag because they wanted to become a political union rather then a trade organisation they were set up for. If you put the EU flag alongside your name it says your a fervent supporter of "the project"

Johnson will be forever known as the prime minister who took us out of "the project" by putting the EU flag in his twitter profile he is not even being subtle about his feelings, it can then bring into question what he says.

Would not trust an American who put the Confederate flag on their profile. It is too political.

Someone has the EU flag on their profile, whether you support or dislike the EU it does not matter there being to political.

 

[parklane1]

I rarely (if ever) need to shout at anyone. Swear all the time but that's just my vocabulary.

I'd never even consider employing the kind of person who couldn't cope with a bit of shouting and swearing. What kind of fanny is that?

The world is full of snowflakes nowadays.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

I rarely (if ever) need to shout at anyone. Swear all the time but that's just my vocabulary.

I'd never even consider employing the kind of person who couldn't cope with a bit of shouting and swearing. What kind of fanny is that?

I think it depends on whether you are shouting and swearing generally, or shouting and swearing directly at an employee.
I've got no problem with swearing, I do it enough myself. But I would have a problem with a manager shouting or swearing directly at me. I could certainly cope with it, that wouldn't be an issue (well, I could now, I'm less sure about a much younger version of myself) but I'd baulk at it as it's not an appropriate way to act towards people in your employment. I'd probably make my feelings known, but I can see how it could be intimidating, and potentially bullying.

 

[scaramanga]

I think it depends on whether you are shouting and swearing generally, or shouting and swearing directly at an employee.
I've got no problem with swearing, I do it enough myself. But I would have a problem with a manager shouting or swearing directly at me. I could certainly cope with it, that wouldn't be an issue (well, I could now, I'm less sure about a much younger version of myself) but I'd baulk at it as it's not an appropriate way to act towards people in your employment. I'd probably make my feelings known, but I can see how it could be intimidating, and potentially bullying.

If anyone seriously expects to go through their career never being shouted at then they've probably got a few surprises coming.

I've worked in environments like that before, it's certainly not the kind of environment I like to create but you just get on with your job and carry on. Strength of character appears to be a rare and dying trait.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I think the reason there isn’t more of an outcry is there are quite a few annoying civil servants who need a bit of a shake up. Shouting at them may not do much, but I’d probably want them to get motivated and move with some speed and purpose.

There are quite a few bookish, cosy, don’t disturb me civil servants out there. They want a quiet life and the modus operandi is to avoid embarrassment or conflict.

I don’t want to tar them all with the same brush, but the profession attracts a certain type often.

The whole civil service needs a shake up to become a much more dynamic animal. It is the arms and hands of government but it’s not exposed, critiques or improved. And if it is it tends to be fleeting. So shouting - if it gets something done and is justified - why not?


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[Bedfordspurs]

I think the reason there isn’t more of an outcry is there are quite a few annoying civil servants who need a bit of a shake up. Shouting at them may not do much, but I’d probably want them to get motivated and move with some speed and purpose.

There are quite a few bookish, cosy, don’t disturb me civil servants out there. They want a quiet life and the modus operandi is to avoid embarrassment or conflict.

I don’t want to tar them all with the same brush, but the profession attracts a certain type often.

The whole civil service needs a shake up to become a much more dynamic animal. It is the arms and hands of government but it’s not exposed, critiques or improved. And if it is it tends to be fleeting. So shouting - if it gets something done and is justified - why not?


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Im working in it now as a specialist contractor

all I hear is we need to do things quicker... I tell them how and then i hear yeah we can’t do that or it’s the tax payers money... yet they will happily spend 3 years in something that should take 18 months

 

[Grays_1890]

If anyone seriously expects to go through their career never being shouted at then they've probably got a few surprises coming.

I've worked in environments like that before, it's certainly not the kind of environment I like to create but you just get on with your job and carry on. Strength of character appears to be a rare and dying trait.

Its also not shocking in this day and age to be in an arena where strong decisive bosses are seen as shouters when they are not usually by those who have low confidence or lack of strength of character.

People in higher positions seem to have more of a decisive nature of cutting to the point, alot of people dont like that

Talking of my own experiences and not of PPs report BTW.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Its also not shocking in this day and age to be in an arena where strong decisive bosses are seen as shouters when they are not usually by those who have low confidence or lack of strength of character.

People in higher positions seem to have more of a decisive nature of cutting to the point, alot of people dont like that

Talking of my own experiences and not of PPs report BTW.

I think most people can tell the difference between strong, decisive bosses versus people who bully. I've worked for strong, decisive bosses, some of whom (and one in particular) could be absolutely brutal in cutting to the point (don't go into a meeting not being in full control of the topic at hand and without preparing for every eventuality unless you want to be reduced to a quivering wreck), and some of whose management styles I haven't particularly liked, but that doesn't automatically make them bullies.
But anyone who manages by regularly shouting, swearing and ultimately belittling a particular person needs to take a look at their management style.
It's easy to dismiss bullying by saying those on the end of it are just too sensitive or lacking in confidence. Bullies pick their targets.

 

[Mikey10]

I think most people can tell the difference between strong, decisive bosses versus people who bully. I've worked for strong, decisive bosses, some of whom (and one in particular) could be absolutely brutal in cutting to the point (don't go into a meeting not being in full control of the topic at hand and without preparing for every eventuality unless you want to be reduced to a quivering wreck), and some of whose management styles I haven't particularly liked, but that doesn't automatically make them bullies.
But anyone who manages by regularly shouting, swearing and ultimately belittling a particular person needs to take a look at their management style.
It's easy to dismiss bullying by saying those on the end of it are just too sensitive or lacking in confidence. Bullies pick their targets.

Anyone else repeatedly behaves like she has in a working environment they are gone nowadays. Keeping her smacks, yet again, of poor judgment by Johnson - and continuing poor judgment is the major reason his party will ditch him before too much longer.

 

[scaramanga]

I think most people can tell the difference between strong, decisive bosses versus people who bully. I've worked for strong, decisive bosses, some of whom (and one in particular) could be absolutely brutal in cutting to the point (don't go into a meeting not being in full control of the topic at hand and without preparing for every eventuality unless you want to be reduced to a quivering wreck), and some of whose management styles I haven't particularly liked, but that doesn't automatically make them bullies.
But anyone who manages by regularly shouting, swearing and ultimately belittling a particular person needs to take a look at their management style.
It's easy to dismiss bullying by saying those on the end of it are just too sensitive or lacking in confidence. Bullies pick their targets.

I'd say there are a lot more overly sensitive people around than there are actual workplace bullies. Especially when you consider the kind of people attracted to jobs as civil servants.

This could easily (likely) be case of the former more than the latter.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Anyone else repeatedly behaves like she has in a working environment they are gone nowadays. Keeping her smacks, yet again, of poor judgment by Johnson - and continuing poor judgment is the major reason his party will ditch him before too much longer.

I think the are a few waiting in the wings for Brexit and covid to be done with. Then your going to see a big fight for his job.

Has the government even offered up bonds on the covid debt to retail consumers yet?

 

[Baleforce]

It’s not acceptable behaviour, that we’ve all seen it happen in that past doesn’t make it right, we’ve all seen racism and sexism too, nobody would suggest to those victims that they lack strength of character.

It’s all on the management, if they get into a position where they feel they need to rant and rave at an employee, then the fault is with them, they have hired the wrong person or trained them insufficiently.

 

[P.D.]

So the person in charge of ministerial conduct quits because Priti Patel's a bully (shocker i know).

In some respects though, i'm a bit, meh. I mean, Boris has a "do what the fudge you want" card beacause of the last GE.

Ultimately though, Boris has that card because of Momentum and the last Labour GE. Thanks to Corbyn losing not one, but two GEs, a Local election and a Euro election, Tories now have free reign and no external pressure to basically tell anyone to just fudge off.

Labour complicit in that totally.

Meanwhile, who are Momentum taking shots at on social media? Keir Starmer. Well of course. Pricks.

Edit: It's anti-bullying week this week

Might have free reign now but all these little scandals, backtracking etc all add up and will be highlighted in the next election campaign when people might feel they've had enough and want someone like Starmer who might offer a similar style agenda with a bit less scandal. Lots of Tory MPs seem to be annoyed with the current backtracking and generally being behind the curve on things.

 

[scaramanga]

It’s not acceptable behaviour, that we’ve all seen it happen in that past doesn’t make it right, we’ve all seen racism and sexism too, nobody would suggest to those victims that they lack strength of character.

It’s all on the management, if they get into a position where they feel they need to rant and rave at an employee, then the fault is with them, they have hired the wrong person or trained them insufficiently.

That's very true in the private sector.

Civil servants are; unlikely to have been employed by her, virtually unsackable and almost certainly useless at their jobs.

Dealing with that lot would be enough to make the calmest person rage.

Workplace bullying isn't the same as racism and sexism as those are protected classes. Bone idle, civil servant, brickbag isn't a protected class, to my knowledge.

 

[P.D.]

I think the reason there isn’t more of an outcry is there are quite a few annoying civil servants who need a bit of a shake up. Shouting at them may not do much, but I’d probably want them to get motivated and move with some speed and purpose.

There are quite a few bookish, cosy, don’t disturb me civil servants out there. They want a quiet life and the modus operandi is to avoid embarrassment or conflict.

I don’t want to tar them all with the same brush, but the profession attracts a certain type often.

The whole civil service needs a shake up to become a much more dynamic animal. It is the arms and hands of government but it’s not exposed, critiques or improved. And if it is it tends to be fleeting. So shouting - if it gets something done and is justified - why not?


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Hello Dom!!!

 

[markysimmo]

Might have free reign now but all these little scandals, backtracking etc all add up and will be highlighted in the next election campaign when people might feel they've had enough and want someone like Starmer who might offer a similar style agenda with a bit less scandal. Lots of Tory MPs seem to be annoyed with the current backtracking and generally being behind the curve on things.

Lifelong Tory voter and I'm not sure I could vote for the party in the next election, since the last election it's been one lie and shambles after another