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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Danishfurniturelover said:
She does
She has lived in UK for 30 years. But as you know Britain and Ireland have a free travel agreement that predates the EU.

My son only has British passport not an Irish one. He is welcome to get one if he wishes.
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Good. Some long resident Irish in the UK don't have one. Up to now that didn't make a whole lot of difference, but that might change from what I've heard. Your son should get an Irish passport if he is allowed, for traveling if nothing else.
 
galeforce said:
Just the things it would have been morally reprehensible for us to try and politicise then.
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The security one made me laugh. Not really a useful bargaining chip. Because if we refuse to cooperate with our European partners on security all we do is risk a dangerous tit for tat where they let their terror suspects, smugglers and other low life to wander into Britain without sharing any intelligence.
 
Hootnow said:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...8KOTyQkQX11fsMLSETabWGQHnEfzrm-dCjUWkDlRjirhw

'Where do I go?' EU citizens face legal limbo after decades in Britain

I know this will still thankfully be the minority but what a lovely and open country we're becoming with this whole Brexit debate.
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I've just graduated from Uni and met loads of people from Europe whilst I was there, most of whom cited Brexit uncertainty as the reason they would not be staying afterwards.

In particular I knew quite a few Hungarian's and I was especially shocked they were choosing to go back to quite an openly corrupt country rather than stay here. They'd even spoke to me about the levels of corruption Some of them were true Anglophiles and I couldn't understand why they wouldn't stay. But they said not knowing whether you would try and lay down roots only to be deported meant it wasn't a viable option.

So of they willingly departed - to a country which has recently introduced 'slave labour' legilsation allowing employees to make you work 400 hours of overtime a year without pay.

Shame as they were incredibly intelligent people, and by far the hardest workers I know. But Brexit means Brexit!
 
Robspur12 said:
The security one made me laugh. Not really a useful bargaining chip. Because if we refuse to cooperate with our European partners on security all we do is risk a dangerous tit for tat where they let their terror suspects, smugglers and other low life to wander into Britain without sharing any intelligence.
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Always the option to pull out our missiles in eastern Europe protecting Europe from Russia. Make them realise that we offer a lot to Europe and perhaps they should understand how much we offer as a willing partner.

Boris is to pussy to negotiate properly.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Always the option to pull out our missiles in eastern Europe protecting Europe from Russia. Make them realise that we offer a lot to Europe and perhaps they should understand how much we offer as a willing partner.

Boris is to pussy to negotiate properly.
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Endangering our country by p1ss balling with security is a step too far even for the brexiteers. Although with them salivating at the prospect of turning us into a tax haven I guess nothing is off the table.
 
Greg said:
Time to revoke Article 50 and be done with it. The damage the tory party has done to this country since 2010 knows no bounds. There was no need for a referendum in the first place, only called by David Cameron to try and appease some of the old tories in the 1922.

The country has been screwed over. The country is torn, a massive rise in the far right, a rise an racism and more. All caused by this bull brick.

Sadly the opposition is also currently incompetent.

What a mess.
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The country is torn because the people that lost never accepted the result.

The way they behaved since means the gloves are off. No general election or referendum after will mean anything. If a side loses they can just refuse to accept.

Democracy died thanks to remoaners. Now we will have the rise of more extreme parties, because it has been proved you stop things you don't want to happen just by stamping your feet and moaning like a petulant child.
 
Robspur12 said:
Endangering our country by p1ss balling with security is a step too far even for the brexiteers. Although with them salivating at the prospect of turning us into a tax haven I guess nothing is off the table.
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Why?

We give so much to them. They are purposely trying to make it hard for us. In cahoots with war criminals like Blair they have tried to undermine our democracy. They still talk about us cancelling brexit.

Why protect countries that are so overly antagonistic towards us.

Yep Boris though standing up to them a bit, is a fcuking pussy.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The country is torn because the people that lost never accepted the result.

The way they behaved since means the gloves are off. No general election or referendum after will mean anything. If a side loses they can just refuse to accept.

Democracy died thanks to remoaners. Now we will have the rise of more extreme parties, because it has been proved you stop things you don't want to happen just by stamping your feet and moaning like a petulant child.
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For the same reason America has had trouble accepting the US election result.

I.e. An extremely marginal win built upon a back of lies which never would have triumphed if it wasn’t for those - alongside sponsorship by your truly.

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As with the US it's a symbol of all the failings of democracy - particularly the tyranny of the (slight) majority which can lead to destructive baboons finding their way into . It particularly comes out when attempting to employ direct democracy which is why we have a parliament who specialise in complexities. Of course that's not be saying we should stop being democratic and I certainly wouldn't advocate stopping direct democracy. Merely that democracy is far from perfect and we should be critical of its failings so we can build from it. There's certainly nothing wrong with challenging an election where people have evidently been manipualted.

Especially when the only foreseeable winner is the conservative elite and Vlad the Infringer.
 
Robspur12 said:
The security one made me laugh. Not really a useful bargaining chip. Because if we refuse to cooperate with our European partners on security all we do is risk a dangerous tit for tat where they let their terror suspects, smugglers and other low life to wander into Britain without sharing any intelligence.
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Except that most of the anti-terrorist intelligence in Europe comes from us. The EU would be significantly more in danger than the UK if we were to withdraw our support for their woefully inadequate security services.
 
Craig_J said:
I've just graduated from Uni and met loads of people from Europe whilst I was there, most of whom cited Brexit uncertainty as the reason they would not be staying afterwards.

In particular I knew quite a few Hungarian's and I was especially shocked they were choosing to go back to quite an openly corrupt country rather than stay here. They'd even spoke to me about the levels of corruption Some of them were true Anglophiles and I couldn't understand why they wouldn't stay. But they said not knowing whether you would try and lay down roots only to be deported meant it wasn't a viable option.

So of they willingly departed - to a country which has recently introduced 'slave labour' legilsation allowing employees to make you work 400 hours of overtime a year without pay.

Shame as they were incredibly intelligent people, and by far the hardest workers I know. But Brexit means Brexit!
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There will actually be more European students here after Brexit. Currently universities avoid recruiting them, because they only pay the same fees as British students; whereas Chinese, Indian and American students pay about 3 times the amount. When I went to university there were 10 times more Greeks, French etc. than there are now since 'level playing field' crap got imposed.
 
Earlier a regular poster on here was banging on about the so called 'liberal elite.' The elite are not at all 'liberal.' The people running this place are the same lot that have been running the show for the last five hundred years. They are conservative. First time I have ever read someone describe the likes of Rees Mogg as a 'liberal elite.' Very funny if it wasn't so tragic.
 
Craig_J said:
I've just graduated from Uni and met loads of people from Europe whilst I was there, most of whom cited Brexit uncertainty as the reason they would not be staying afterwards.
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I also work in the university sector and, while my sample size is quite limited, I have to say that my experience has been quite different to this. Those that have left have usually done so due to a failure to find suitable work. Those I know that did find suitable employment opportunities have invariably stayed, uncertainty and all.

But it's a nice, convenient line to use I guess.
 
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