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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton, White Hart Lane, Sat April 18th, 5.30pm***

Robbo said:
Objectively that's no penalty. In the context of decisions given against us this season, it is. Again, consistency - or rather the lack of it.
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Udogie gets goalside of Minteh, who has no chance of getting the ball, so instead pushes into Udogie's back to nudge him over. It's a clear penalty. Apparently the reason VAR gave was that 'Udogie wasn't going to get to the ball'; what were they watching? He's in on goal FFS!
 
thfcsteff said:
Udogie gets goalside of Minteh, who has no chance of getting the ball, so instead pushes into Udogie's back to nudge him over. It's a clear penalty. Apparently the reason VAR gave was that 'Udogie wasn't going to get to the ball'; what were they watching? He's in on goal FFS!
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Fair points, I just don't think there's enough in it to (objectively) give a penalty. I think Udogie goes down to easily. I'm certain there are other teams (in red and blue) who would get this decision, of course, but we're not admitted into that club.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m sorry but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to make the point that we could have been playing with this level of intent all season. And I think completely removing the intent and ambition from the team is why so many players have played below their capabilities.

Brighton passed through us a few times. We passed through them plenty of times. When we recovered the ball, our players actually looked forward. There were options and movement in front of them. If we played with this intent all of this season we wouldn’t be 18th,

And I’m sorry to say, it’s on the manager that decided this was the right approach and the people who appointed and persisted with him. I’m not trying to keep the polarisation going, I’m making a point that this performance and level of intent and the clear comfort the players showed in playing this way shoots down the argument that these players were bad and could only be trusted to play in the most risk averse of ways.
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The reason we have struggled in the league over the last 4 seasons other than a purple patch at the start of Ange, is 1) an inability to stop conceding goals at an alarming rate. Even this season we are among the worst for goals against. 2) injuries to offensive players and a failure to replace the quality we had have blunted any attacking momentum.

We had intent today but it didn’t matter we still couldn’t turn it into the win we needed because sadly we cannot defend properly. I don’t think intent alone is going to keep us up. We need Madders back and imho we need to play Palhinha and another as the defensive pivot to make us more solid.
 
Robbo said:
Fair points, I just don't think there's enough in it to (objectively) give a penalty. I think Udogie goes down to easily. I'm certain there are other teams (in red and blue) who would get this decision, of course, but we're not admitted into that club.
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The point I lost my rag was when Alan Smith said it was only a little shirt pull and therefore not a penalty. Based on the laws of the game that makes it a penalty and a yellow. It's a totally black and white decision to make. That is, if you believe the laws of the game should be the reason a referee is on the pitch.

Perhaps we should just play football without referees moving forward. They are absolutely pointless.
 
Robspur12 said:
The reason we have struggled in the league over the last 4 seasons other than a purple patch at the start of Ange, is 1) an inability to stop conceding goals at an alarming rate. Even this season we are among the worst for goals against. 2) injuries to offensive players and a failure to replace the quality we had have blunted any attacking momentum.

We had intent today but it didn’t matter we still couldn’t turn it into the win we needed because sadly we cannot defend properly. I don’t think intent alone is going to keep us up. We need Madders back and imho we need to play Palhinha and another as the defensive pivot to make us more solid.
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We’re 2 games in to playing a style for a new manager. I think it will get better under him, it might be too late for this season, but I think we’ll get there.

And I think the issues since Poch (who we never should have sacked in my view) have been different each time. It’s a whole complicated mess that comes from thrashing from one idea to the next rather than sticking with something that is actually unique and special to Spurs and building on that differentiator.

If Danso hoofs it today I’d say it was a well earned win in a game where we defended well for the most part. And as the games go on, I’m confident we’ll do better at executing what De Zerbi wants.
 
Muttley said:
The point I lost my rag was when Alan Smith said it was only a little shirt pull and therefore not a penalty. Based on the laws of the game that makes it a penalty and a yellow. It's a totally black and white decision to make. That is, if you believe the laws of the game should be the reason a referee is on the pitch.

Perhaps we should just play football without referees moving forward. They are absolutely pointless.
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Another atrocious refereeing performance backed up by the commentators because everyone’s involved in their little self perpetuating circlejerk and no one can just state the obvious.

The Udogie thing was ridiculous. As well as the treatment of Xavi today. There was one time he was flat out barged over towards the end of the first half on the right, quite close to the box. The commentators I had actually were shocked nothing was given. It was the most blatant foul of the whole game. And then later on the commentators make a point of Xavi having gone down too easily all game and so now the ref is looking to make an example of him.

Completely atrocious and I’m sick of this brick. It’s the highest level, stop fudging missing obvious calls.
 
Robspur12 said:
The reason we have struggled in the league over the last 4 seasons other than a purple patch at the start of Ange, is 1) an inability to stop conceding goals at an alarming rate. Even this season we are among the worst for goals against. 2) injuries to offensive players and a failure to replace the quality we had have blunted any attacking momentum.

We had intent today but it didn’t matter we still couldn’t turn it into the win we needed because sadly we cannot defend properly. I don’t think intent alone is going to keep us up. We need Madders back and imho we need to play Palhinha and another as the defensive pivot to make us more solid.
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To that end, I was disappointed that Palhinha let Mintah get the ball into the box in added time; if there was one player I'd have bet on to do whatever it took to stop that ball getting in, it would be Palhinha.
 
Muttley said:
The point I lost my rag was when Alan Smith said it was only a little shirt pull and therefore not a penalty. Based on the laws of the game that makes it a penalty and a yellow. It's a totally black and white decision to make. That is, if you believe the laws of the game should be the reason a referee is on the pitch.

Perhaps we should just play football without referees moving forward. They are absolutely pointless.
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I mean...a friend said he heard the VAR audio and they said 'he wasn't getting to the ball' which is gonads AND irrelevant. To your point, a pull is a pull and a foul. Penalty.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Another atrocious refereeing performance backed up by the commentators because everyone’s involved in their little self perpetuating circlejerk and no one can just state the obvious.

The Udogie thing was ridiculous. As well as the treatment of Xavi today. There was one time he was flat out barged over towards the end of the first half on the right, quite close to the box. The commentators I had actually were shocked nothing was given. It was the most blatant foul of the whole game. And then later on the commentators make a point of Xavi having gone down too easily all game and so now the ref is looking to make an example of him.

Completely atrocious and I’m sick of this brick. It’s the highest level, stop fudging missing obvious calls.
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He was fouled in the build up to their first goal if I remember correctly
 
BTW, why is Djed Spence pressing the keeper high in the 94th minute?????? Him being out of position/jogging back afterwards leaves us a man short. Solanke is ball-watching, Bergvall's got two to watch because Spence isn't anywhere, Rutter has so much time...why didn't Palhinha go to ground and slide to cut that ball out?...why do I do this to myself?????????
 
thfcsteff said:
I mean...a friend said he heard the VAR audio and they said 'he wasn't getting to the ball' which is gonads AND irrelevant. To your point, a pull is a pull and a foul. Penalty.
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On Sky they said the VAR said something like, any meaningful contact wasn’t until Udogie was already down.
 
thfcsteff said:
BTW, why is Djed Spence pressing the keeper high in the 94th minute?????? Him being out of position/jogging back afterwards leaves us a man short. Solanke is ball-watching, Bergvall's got two to watch because Spence isn't anywhere, Rutter has so much time...why didn't Palhinha go to ground and slide to cut that ball out?...why do I do this to myself?????????
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Good analysis on MOTD. Porro decided it was a good time to leave his station and put in a half press up the right flank. So naive. It enabled Minteh to skip round him.

A goal up in the 94/95th min, you simply stay in your potion and defend. It becomes a low block situation.
 
Robspur12 said:
Agree. Muani is a big problem for us if he's not tracking back as he adds very little offensively.
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The guy shouldnt be near the team. Saying that im no fan of Richy and Solanke either. Its amazing to thinkbthe absolute chasm in class between what we have now to Harry Kane and Son.
Kane was also a great asset defending set pieces, unlike these muppets.
 
We can win our home matches v Leeds and Everton. We can win away at Wolves. Do that and we still have a chance to survive.

Disappointed that we let the result slip but it’s far from over.
 
Benny_Lad said:
Good analysis on MOTD. Porro decided it was a good time to leave his station and put in a half press up the right flank. So naive. It enabled Minteh to skip round him.

A goal up in the 94/95th min, you simply stay in your potion and defend. It becomes a low block situation.
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Indeed. All of them.
 
I find it amazing the amount of minutes Xavi has spent on the bench this season bearing in mind he is the most creative player we have.
 
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