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OMT Spurs v Athletico

paxtonwolf said:
I have alluded to that in the past, I am sure there is something in it. Or was it under that building on the Paxton that held up the build (forget what it was called now), was it a curse??
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Surely it has to be. I mean, we've mostly been the creators of our own misfortune, but man have we had a massive share of bad luck too. Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Real Madrid attitudes combined with really bricky attitudes, reminiscent of the mess that Pochettino inherited when we had Kaboul, Adebayor and Capoue as our team leaders..

www.independent.co.uk

Pochettino: Kaboul, Adebayor and Capoue have future at Spurs

Trio have fallen out of favour at White Hart Lane and were expected to leave the club in the January transfer window
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Exactly. In their heads they are world class “Champions of Europe”, and bad results are not their fault but due to X, Y, Z. There’s no accountability.

Need to just focus on football. If you make mistakes hold your hands up and work on it in training. Just keep working harder and things would have improved.
 
Bishop said:
We've given a good account of ourselves not withstanding the giveaways, but if we had played 4 at the back maybe we don't perform as well as we have. As I said I'm no fan of 3 at the back, I actually hate it philosophically but we can't criticise it today because it has actually worked. We've had our chances, we've played reasonably slick football in moments. The system has not been the failure today.

Now Kinsky for Vicario is again something I would never do, but on this very board loads were arguing that Vicario should be dropped so it happening didn't come out of nowhere. Vicario has been frankly brick this season so dropping him isn't theoretically craziness (well it is if you're other option is Kinsky 🤣).

With regards to what you're saying about a manager who gets the players, I would suggest that Frank was doing that at the start of the season. He saw how poor we are, how much we lack and so setup to compensate for that, but of course we as a fan base didn't like that. So which do you want it to be? A coach who knows, understands and picks based on our strengths and weaknesses or a someone who just plays what he wants regardless of the fit of the players.
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I have made my opinions on Frank very clear. I have also acknowledged that he did not necessarily get the support necessary from those around him. I have also made my opinions very very clear as to the mistake I think was made by the club in the summer with regards to (essentially) brickt ing hard on a trophy win in Europe and finding a spectacular way to suck the life out of the players, club and fanbase by continually telling us how 'shi t' we supposedly are. You say he set up to compensate for things we lacked? I disagree. Defensively solid? Come on. He essentially decided to set us up to play counter attacking football via long balls. If you think that is compensation, then we have very different ideas.

As to the earlier post from someone who bored off about the 'style mob' turning up and complaining early doors, let me be very fu cking clear.
I was TOLD we were being set up to play exciting, attacking, front-foot, daring football.
We were NOT!
Had there been even a DEGREE of honesty, it might've been easier to stomach.

Finally, and again addressed to THAT poster in particular (cannot remember who it was0...;the day I apologise to people like YOU for wanting my football club to continue standing for what they've always stood for is the the day I walk away from football. F uck THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I do think that these next 9 games require a win at all costs/methods mentality - like the last four in the EL did last season)
 
thfcsteff said:
We are saddled with a manager who plays three at the back when it is clear we cannot adapt to it. Look, I get the attraction of the concept, but Tudor must've seen within a game that we don't have the players who can do that, so Igor? Change the fu cking system!!!!
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Of course, but equally these players are compounding it by being utter garbage. MVDV put in another shocker of a challenge that he was lucky to get away with, its just not helpful either.
 
Looking for some positives, I think the performance after the gift goals was decent. If the floodgates had opened, it would have extinguished any tiny flame of confidence for the next few games.

Two concussed players in the last few minutes is taking the absolute tinkle though. I'm thinking we didn't fully read the small print in the Faustian pact we entered to win a trophy.
 
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I don’t particularly like Tudor, but don’t think you can blame him for the two slips today (or VDV’s red card against Palace).

To be fair I think you can blame him for starting Kinsky - though lots of fans wanted it, and I bet the second fudge-up wouldn’t have happened if the first slip hadn’t happened.

The tinkled off squad members I maybe agree with, but let’s not jump to conclusions - no-one’s even seen the Spence thing.
 
thfcsteff said:
I have made my opinions on Frank very clear. I have also acknowledged that he did not necessarily get the support necessary from those around him. I have also made my opinions very very clear as to the mistake I think was made by the club in the summer with regards to (essentially) brickt ing hard on a trophy win in Europe and finding a spectacular way to suck the life out of the players, club and fanbase by continually telling us how 'shi t' we supposedly are. You say he set up to compensate for things we lacked? I disagree. Defensively solid? Come on. He essentially decided to set us up to play counter attacking football via long balls. If you think that is compensation, then we have very different ideas.

As to the earlier post from someone who bored off about the 'style mob' turning up and complaining early doors, let me be very fu cking clear.
I was TOLD we were being set up to play exciting, attacking, front-foot, daring football.
We were NOT!
Had there been even a DEGREE of honesty, it might've been easier to stomach.

Finally, and again addressed to THAT poster in particular (cannot remember who it was0...;the day I apologise to people like YOU for wanting my football club to continue standing for what they've always stood for is the the day I walk away from football. F uck THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I do think that these next 9 games require a win at all costs/methods mentality - like the last four in the EL did last season)
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How do you play that football without the players to do it?

Surely give the manager time to build to it.
 
fernadez said:
That's literally what was going on. People were complaining that the football wasn't Tottenham football and would be happier with worse results.

We began to play more expansively and got worse.

There was a section of the fan base that never gave the man a chance.
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You know EXACTLY what you did with your first comment.

I will NEVER apologise for wanting us to be who we are.

Our major issues came when he started to encounter injuries.

My consistent question was 'what are we building and what are we being patient for'? You care to tell me? Because when he was sacked (far too LATE IMO) we were the sum total of sh ite and heading south.

I don't especially want to argue with fellow postees, we're all upset, but I can't be having low-ball studs up stuff like what you threw in there...
 
Rorschach said:
Looking for some positives, I think the performance after the gift goals was decent. If the floodgates had opened, it would have extinguished any tiny flame of confidence for the next few games.

Two concussed players in the last few minutes is taking the absolute tinkle. I'm thinking we didn't fully read the small print in the Faustian pact we entered to win a trophy.
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Also this, incredibly, not being another red for VDV:

 
thfcsteff said:
You know EXACTLY what you did with your first comment.

I will NEVER apologise for wanting us to be who we are.

Our major issues came when he started to encounter injuries.

My consistent question was 'what are we building and what are we being patient for'? You care to tell me? Because when he was sacked (far too LATE IMO) we were the sum total of sh ite and heading south.

I don't especially want to argue with fellow postees, we're all upset, but I can't be having low-ball studs up stuff like what you threw in there...
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I got no idea what you're talking about. The question was why did Frank change his approach.
 
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