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Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Depending if certain players leave in the summer (Lloris, Verthongen etc.), I want as few transfers as possible. We need to work with what we've got now and give it time to settle and grow. Yet another squad overall is the last thing that we need and it's the root cause of all of our problems. My only real areas of concern are LB and GK cover. Fix those and nothing more please.
My one and only wish is that we get a new manager in. And that manager is given the time and patience by the board and the fans to mould the squad.
Depending if certain players leave in the summer (Lloris, Verthongen etc.), I want as few transfers as possible. We need to work with what we've got now and give it time to settle and grow. Yet another squad overall is the last thing that we need and it's the root cause of all of our problems. My only real areas of concern are LB and GK cover. Fix those and nothing more please.
My one and only wish is that we get a new manager in. And that manager is given the time and patience by the board and the fans to mould the squad.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Other than Lennon, can you name a decent orthodox winger operating at the top level? It's no coincidence that our other 3 wide players - Lamela, Chadli and Townsend - are all inverted. Kids have been coached to play inverted for a good decade now. Blimey it's even become commonplace in Sunday League.
Just as important, can you name a forward who thrives on crosses? Andy Carroll - ok. Another one? It's not just a generation of wide players who have been coached out of crossing, it's a generation of forwards who have been coached to be served primarily by through balls. Moyes' retro crossing approach has made him a laughing stock.
You watch training from the stands as well Tim?
Other than Lennon, can you name a decent orthodox winger operating at the top level? It's no coincidence that our other 3 wide players - Lamela, Chadli and Townsend - are all inverted. Kids have been coached to play inverted for a good decade now. Blimey it's even become commonplace in Sunday League.
Just as important, can you name a forward who thrives on crosses? Andy Carroll - ok. Another one? It's not just a generation of wide players who have been coached out of crossing, it's a generation of forwards who have been coached to be served primarily by through balls. Moyes' retro crossing approach has made him a laughing stock.
You watch training from the stands as well Tim?
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Realistically these two requirements are mutually exclusive.
Realistically these two requirements are mutually exclusive.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Levy agrees with you. From his statement today:
“Whilst this season’s performances and results have not lived up to expectation, we believe our squad has potential.
“Our focus therefore is to continue to invest in and develop the squad - we shall not look to a summer of major upheaval, but rather to strengthen in key positions.
Levy agrees with you. From his statement today:
“Whilst this season’s performances and results have not lived up to expectation, we believe our squad has potential.
“Our focus therefore is to continue to invest in and develop the squad - we shall not look to a summer of major upheaval, but rather to strengthen in key positions.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
IMO LVG is much more suited to work with AVB's squad than Timmeh is. LVG likes young, versatile, technical and submissive players who can be moulded to his system. Timmeh likes character players who can play in the absence of a system. We'll have a far higher turnover of players if we don't change managers.
IMO LVG is much more suited to work with AVB's squad than Timmeh is. LVG likes young, versatile, technical and submissive players who can be moulded to his system. Timmeh likes character players who can play in the absence of a system. We'll have a far higher turnover of players if we don't change managers.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
there is already a thread for this
As a wide midfielder he's doing very well. As a traditional winger, not so much.
Despite his ridiculous completion rate for crosses (10x that of any mere mortal footballer - including Bale) most of his key passes are to areas outside the box. Much of his work is done just in front of the halfway line and selection bias does the rest.
It's what I like to call the "Match of the Day effect"
Klinsmania
Bobby Zamora
All I want is to get in a manager who know how to organise a team defensively to ensure we are tough to beat and concede far fewer goal scoring opportunities, and then to implement a game plan that is not reliant on passing the ball sideways and hoping that 'something' happens. With players like Eriksen who are great at finding spaces between the lines, it's is shocking how poor we are at creating clear chances.
This is it, honestly I think we could start next season with a new LB and the same team (with all fit) and get much better results if
- We got organized better
- Understood how things worked together, e.g. High Line requires midfield pressing
- Made movement so our players have a pass option (quite embarrassing how Southampton players always had a pass on, and we didn't), what happened to the triangle passing of Harry's time?
- Play to the strength of certain players, i.e. get the ball to Eriksen, or if going to a wide/fast player, play early ball, work out the right service for Solly.
- Work on a distribution plan from the back (Hugo, love you, but the kicking isn't working)
To me, its a fairly basic list of coaching requirements, nothing more.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Based on his tenure here...it's a total myth AVB likes technically gifted players. I've done this before but lets take a closer look at what AVB has done during his time here:
Last Season
* Was not a fan of VDV and was happy to see the back of him.
* Was not a fan of Huddlestone. Decided Livermore was a better choice in the centre. Gave Huddlestone little to no chance.
* Was not a fan of BAE. Decided Kyle Naughton was a better candidate for the LB slot in a lot of games.
* Was not a fan of Adebayor and preferred Defoe starting in a lot of games.
* Was a massive fan of Michael Dawson after initially not being. Bigged him up at every opportunity.
* Was a massive fan of Clint Dempsey. Another technically lacking player.
This season
* Kept Dawson and sold Caulker who is technically better than Dawson (altough i don't rate caulker and do not consider him technically gifted)
* Loaned out BAE
* No time for Ade.
* Had a lot of time for Invisibilinho who was practically undroppable.
* Had a lot of time for Chadli on the left who did nothing in that position bar playing it safe.
* Gave Lamela little to no chance. Our most technically gifted player.
* Alternated weekly between Eriksen and the 'plucky' Holtby for the AM role.
A total MYTH that he favoured technically gifted players that has been brought up so so many times despite evidence otherwise. His football philosophy would make the 'typical' British manager proud.
Based on his tenure here...it's a total myth AVB likes technically gifted players. I've done this before but lets take a closer look at what AVB has done during his time here:
Last Season
* Was not a fan of VDV and was happy to see the back of him.
* Was not a fan of Huddlestone. Decided Livermore was a better choice in the centre. Gave Huddlestone little to no chance.
* Was not a fan of BAE. Decided Kyle Naughton was a better candidate for the LB slot in a lot of games.
* Was not a fan of Adebayor and preferred Defoe starting in a lot of games.
* Was a massive fan of Michael Dawson after initially not being. Bigged him up at every opportunity.
* Was a massive fan of Clint Dempsey. Another technically lacking player.
This season
* Kept Dawson and sold Caulker who is technically better than Dawson (altough i don't rate caulker and do not consider him technically gifted)
* Loaned out BAE
* No time for Ade.
* Had a lot of time for Invisibilinho who was practically undroppable.
* Had a lot of time for Chadli on the left who did nothing in that position bar playing it safe.
* Gave Lamela little to no chance. Our most technically gifted player.
* Alternated weekly between Eriksen and the 'plucky' Holtby for the AM role.
A total MYTH that he favoured technically gifted players that has been brought up so so many times despite evidence otherwise. His football philosophy would make the 'typical' British manager proud.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Good post. AVB clearly prefers hard working 'fit & strong' players to technical ones. It's always been the case and I'm not sure where this whole AVB like 'technical' players comes from.
With regard to is football philosophy, it's not in the British 'neanderthal 4-4-2 let's get at'em' style that GB and Scara would have you believe any British manager that isn't AF employ's. But as far as I can gather (although I'm too young to have actually seen them) it seems fairly similar to the Liverpool possession football back in the 70's/80's.
Good post. AVB clearly prefers hard working 'fit & strong' players to technical ones. It's always been the case and I'm not sure where this whole AVB like 'technical' players comes from.
With regard to is football philosophy, it's not in the British 'neanderthal 4-4-2 let's get at'em' style that GB and Scara would have you believe any British manager that isn't AF employ's. But as far as I can gather (although I'm too young to have actually seen them) it seems fairly similar to the Liverpool possession football back in the 70's/80's.
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Do you have any basis for that or have you just turned this into one of those creationist type arguments?
Do you have any basis for that or have you just turned this into one of those creationist type arguments?
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
Most of those issues are largely speculative. It's equally as valid to say...
Last season
- AVB didn't want VDV because he was consistently incapable of finishing 90mins.
- Huddlestone also had fitness and mobility issues so didn't fit in either with AVB's preferred requirements.
- It suspect he didn't like BAE's attitude. Similarly with Adebayor. There was always an emphasis on team effort and squad morale and neither of those two exactly fit that mould
- Dawson, again didn't suit his high line, but by all accounts worked his **** off to earn a place. Either way he was always destined to be a back-up but we always had our first choices injured.
- Dempsey was sold after one season, not exactly befitting a massive fan.
This season
- Rumblings that Caulker was sold for off the field antics.
- BAE clearly didn't give a ****, still doesn't if his QPR performances are anything to go by.
- Ade has a **** attitude. Always has, always will. Only plays when it suits himself.
- Paulinho, by all accounts, was the only player AVB wanted that he actually got. Hasn't exactly worked out so far but he showed some decent moments early in the season.
- Chadli wasn't too bad on the left, certainly more productive for the team than Townsend on the right.
- Lamela needed time to bed in, but I agree that AVB didn't handle him well.
I think AVB preferred technically gifted players, as long as they could fulfill his instructions of pressing aggressively. That requires a certain level fitness, hard work and discipline. Just because he wouldn't tolerate passengers in the team doesn't mean he wanted cloggers.
Kind of pointless still discussing AVB, but I think there remains a bit of an unjustified misconception about him
Most of those issues are largely speculative. It's equally as valid to say...
Last season
- AVB didn't want VDV because he was consistently incapable of finishing 90mins.
- Huddlestone also had fitness and mobility issues so didn't fit in either with AVB's preferred requirements.
- It suspect he didn't like BAE's attitude. Similarly with Adebayor. There was always an emphasis on team effort and squad morale and neither of those two exactly fit that mould
- Dawson, again didn't suit his high line, but by all accounts worked his **** off to earn a place. Either way he was always destined to be a back-up but we always had our first choices injured.
- Dempsey was sold after one season, not exactly befitting a massive fan.
This season
- Rumblings that Caulker was sold for off the field antics.
- BAE clearly didn't give a ****, still doesn't if his QPR performances are anything to go by.
- Ade has a **** attitude. Always has, always will. Only plays when it suits himself.
- Paulinho, by all accounts, was the only player AVB wanted that he actually got. Hasn't exactly worked out so far but he showed some decent moments early in the season.
- Chadli wasn't too bad on the left, certainly more productive for the team than Townsend on the right.
- Lamela needed time to bed in, but I agree that AVB didn't handle him well.
I think AVB preferred technically gifted players, as long as they could fulfill his instructions of pressing aggressively. That requires a certain level fitness, hard work and discipline. Just because he wouldn't tolerate passengers in the team doesn't mean he wanted cloggers.
Kind of pointless still discussing AVB, but I think there remains a bit of an unjustified misconception about him
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: 2014/2015. If it was up to you
What evidence do you have to back this claim?
He wouldn't tolerate 'passengers' yet he picked Invisibilinho every game...the king of passengers?
What evidence do you have to back this claim?
He wouldn't tolerate 'passengers' yet he picked Invisibilinho every game...the king of passengers?