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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

The big thing for me is the lack of effort, the players are starting in 3rd gear and look jaded from the first minute. That isn't tiredness, that is lack of motivation.

The coach can tinker around with all sorts of things, but getting the right effort and application to chase and harry and make runs is VITAL and it is not happening.
 
Bullet said:
Just watching MotD2, they say that Palace's 16 shots is the most that they have attempted in a PL away game since 2004

How many of those 10 years were they in the PL?

I also noticed loads of goals yesterday and today were scored from people out wide crossing or passing the ball into the area with their preferred foot, rather than checking back and laying it 5 yards to someone else to circulate it back into play. For instance Stoke got 3 like this, all of them put in with the foot, not the head. Others were from corners and freekicks crossed in, Cheatski did this. West Ham. Villa.
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Ha ha, my thoughts exactly. Plenty of crosses for goals.... But there a thing if the last don't you know!!!!

There is so many ways to win a football game but to do so you need to actually penetrate the opposition.... Were the worse team in the league at the moment at doing that. We look great passing the ball around. The half way line but give it to attacking 3/4 and we will plop straight into the middle of the pitch the and watch it come back.
 
Poch will not be sacked. We will finish this season 7th. Ade will be sold in January. You lot will still be moaning in May.

My predictions :)
 
Ade to be sold in January is the interesting one. Maybe someone like Monaco as his old club may come in for him and their bankrolled by a billionaire

It's hard to see where he would go really ... And that's the biggest challenge to offloading him
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Ade to be sold in January is the interesting one. Maybe someone like Monaco as his old club may come in for him and their bankrolled by a billionaire

It's hard to see where he would go really ... And that's the biggest challenge to offloading him
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They have stopped spending money and are going for young players now.
 
Bullet said:
The big thing for me is the lack of effort, the players are starting in 3rd gear and look jaded from the first minute. That isn't tiredness, that is lack of motivation.

The coach can tinker around with all sorts of things, but getting the right effort and application to chase and harry and make runs is VITAL and it is not happening.
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Yeah because the players have not been putting any effort in all season, of course :rolleyes:

Perhaps the players are just knackered with the EL games? From Thursday night to Sunday lunchtime (as is often the case) is not too long when you consider flight times if away and training days. Nothing to dismiss easily.
It's now effecting Everton if you hadn't noticed...or are their players not being motivated by Martinez as well now?
 
Bullet said:
Just watching MotD2, they say that Palace's 16 shots is the most that they have attempted in a PL away game since 2004

How many of those 10 years were they in the PL?

I also noticed loads of goals yesterday and today were scored from people out wide crossing or passing the ball into the area with their preferred foot, rather than checking back and laying it 5 yards to someone else to circulate it back into play. For instance Stoke got 3 like this, all of them put in with the foot, not the head. Others were from corners and freekicks crossed in, Cheatski did this. West Ham. Villa.
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Palace traditionally play very well at WHL sadly.
Palace are playing only their second PL season since the December 2004 1-1 draw they got at the Lane in Jol's time. Sherwood's win last season against Palace was quite an achievement when taking the fixture's history.

Crosses into the box: you talk as though we don't attempt any crosses into the box or that we haven't scored from such things. We are just not as good at set-pieces as many other teams and haven't been probably since Graham's last season with us over a decade ago.
Also we aren't as tall as most of those other sides. There are different ways to score as you no doubt know: Shall we wait for a weekend when they are many goals from inverted wing play etc and make the opposite observation?
 
DTA said:
We played really well against Everton, I was really please by the performance and even if we somehow ended up losing that game, I would have felt the same. However to say that was the best we played in 3 seasons is simply an untruth.
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I must have missed all those high tempo quick passing performances under AVB and Sherwood.
 
Modric THFC said:
I must have missed all those high tempo quick passing performances under AVB and Sherwood.
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there is more than one way to play well, AVB had a different style and there were many games when we were incredibly effective at it

this isn't ballroom dancing, you don't get points for style
 
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Bullet said:
The big thing for me is the lack of effort, the players are starting in 3rd gear and look jaded from the first minute. That isn't tiredness, that is lack of motivation.

The coach can tinker around with all sorts of things, but getting the right effort and application to chase and harry and make runs is VITAL and it is not happening.
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I don't think you can say that really. We saw a lot of effort in both the Everton and Chelsea games and then like you said the same team looks jaded and off-the-boil from the first minute against Palace. You see this as a lack of motivation, but given the previous two performances, I'd say it is more likely to be tiredness.

The problem we are now faced with is that in terms of the personnel that the manager actually wants to utilise and who are effective in his system, we have a very small squad, but in terms of actual numbers and wage bill etc, we have a very large squad.
 
Jurgen the German said:
But would that really be progression? Let's not forget we finished 6th with the AVB-Sherwood one two punch, and quite of lot of posters do not rate one of them, or in some cases, both. We haven't lost any of our "top" players.

As the brain said, the performances need to improve also, it actually seems like our home performances are getting worse if anything.
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Anything less than 7th would represent a poor season by Poch. You can forgive dropping a place from 6th if Man Utd get their act together, as they were always going to. Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Scum are all stronger on paper. Everton should be there or there abouts squad-wise.

Southampton have hit their tough run of fixtures having been handed a very easy start to the season and are already in danger of falling away. West Ham have their tough run in a few weeks time and I expect the same to happen.
 
Modric THFC said:
I must have missed all those high tempo quick passing performances under AVB and Sherwood.
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Being fair, there were probably just as many good performances under Sherwood, than under Poch so far, and certainly no performance under Sherwood that was as terrible as some of the home performances under Poch this season.

Under AVB, who i didn't rate, there were more good performances than we have seen so far under Poch.

Selection under Sherwood: Saudi Sportswashing Machine away, won 4-0, Man U away, won 2-1, Southampton home and away comeback wins, Swansea away, won 3-1, Goons at home, lost 0-1, but i thought we were very unlucky and outplayed goons in that game, Stoke home, won 3-0. That's just off the top of my head.

AVB had many good performances, particularly in his first season, which was afterall, our record ever points haul for a Premiership season.
 
NWND said:
Being fair, there were probably just as many good performances under Sherwood, than under Poch so far, and certainly no performance under Sherwood that was as terrible as some of the home performances under Poch this season.

Under AVB, who i didn't rate, there were more good performances than we have seen so far under Poch.

Selection under Sherwood: Saudi Sportswashing Machine away, won 4-0, Man U away, won 2-1, Southampton home and away comeback wins, Swansea away, won 3-1, Goons at home, lost 0-1, but i thought we were very unlucky and outplayed goons in that game, Stoke home, won 3-0. That's just off the top of my head.

AVB had many good performances, particularly in his first season, which was afterall, our record ever points haul for a Premiership season.
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Good post, glad I'm not the only one who hasn't completely lost and objective recollection of the football we played under Sherwood.
 
Its the glaring lack of chances created for me that makes me worry about him being the real deal, watching the game on Saturday we just didn't look a threat at anytime in the 2nd half. And there was certainly no plan B, one of the things that makes Mourhino a bit special is when his team is struggling but really want the points he makes agressive subs. He might even go long for a while, the height of stupidity is to keep doing the things that aren't working!

I even found myself thinking yesterday that I would like to see Jol back, just so it might be fun again for a while!
 
I was watching Ajax yesterday evening and they ran out comfortable winners against Willem. What struck me watching them again was their fluidity and movement. It was almost as if it was choreographed I thought. I was a bit envious to be honest and I'm beginning to think we missed a trick with De Boer. However in saying that we gotta give Poch a season at least and a transfer window or two before the night of the long knives is played out again. After Everton everybody was happy, and now just a short week later most are screaming blue murder. Let's put it down to a bad day at the office and move on.

Aside - Memphis Depay is going be a star. We really need to try and snag this kid.
 
Rorschach said:
I was watching Ajax yesterday evening and they ran out comfortable winners against Willem. What struck me watching them again was their fluidity and movement. It was almost as if it was choreographed I thought. I was a bit envious to be honest and I'm beginning to think we missed a trick with De Boer. However in saying that we gotta give Poch a season at least and a transfer window or two before the night of the long knives is played out again. After Everton everybody was happy, and now just a short week later most are screaming blue murder. Let's put it down to a bad day at the office and move on.

Aside - Memphis Depay is going be a star. We really need to try and snag this kid.
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Ajax has that style of play and system ingrained in them through generations. And the current Ajax side is one that De Boer has had plenty of time (deservedly so obviously) to build. Is there a reason to think that he'd be able to ingrain a similar style on this group of players in half a season if at Spurs?

Looking at our players I don't think there's an obvious ability to play that style, particularly not from some of the established players that are now seemingly being fazed out.
 
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