Yeah, for posting links suggesting cover ups of sexual abuse I am worse than a suspected abuser, I think someone else should perhaps engage their brain right about now...
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Jimmy Savile
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Yeah, for posting links suggesting cover ups of sexual abuse I am worse than a suspected abuser, I think someone else should perhaps engage their brain right about now...
Bullet
Luka Modric
John Peel eh? Dear me, this article does not paint a good picture.
It is incredible to think that stars were dating and marrying 14 and 15 year old girls in the 70's... and nobody batted an eyelid
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html
It is incredible to think that stars were dating and marrying 14 and 15 year old girls in the 70's... and nobody batted an eyelid
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html
BedfordBen
Michael Brown
Sorry but you don't care about the truth. As far as I remember, you're the guy who copy/pastes all the flimflam alternative medicine crap all over the board. You are turned on by views held by very few people because it empowers you to know you are a 'persecuted' minority. In reality, you are a nutjob who has no idea how to actually obtain the truth from corroborated facts. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Investigation: By Neil Mackay, Home Affairs Editor
LETTERS between Labour and Tory ministers and correspondence relating to Thomas Hamilton’s alleged involvement with Freemasonry are part of a batch of more than 100 documents about the Dunblane mass murder which have been sealed from public sight for 100 years.
The documents include a letter connected to Hamilton, which was sent by George Robertson, currently head of Nato, to Michael Forsyth, who was then Secretary of State for Scotland.
Until now it was thought that a 100-year public secrecy order had only been placed on one police report into Hamilton which allegedly named high-profile politicians and legal figures. However, a Sunday Herald investigation has uncovered that 106 documents, which were submitted to the Dunblane inquiry in 1996, were also placed under the 100-year rule.
The Scottish Executive has claimed the 100-year secrecy order was placed on the Central Police report, which was drafted in 1991 five years before the murders, to protect the identities of children named in the report. Hamilton had allegedly abused a number of children prior to his 1996 gun attack on Dunblane primary school in which 16 primary one children and a teacher died before Hamilton turned his gun on himself.
However, only a handful of the documents, which the Sunday Herald has discovered to be also subject to the 100-year rule, relate to children or name alleged abuse victims.
The most intriguing document is listed as: ‘Copy of letter from Thomas Hamilton to Dunblane parents regarding boys’ club, and flyer advertising Dunblane Boys’ Sports Club. Both sent to Rt Hon Michael Forsyth, MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, by George Robertson MP.’ Also closed under the 100-year rule is a ‘submission to Lord James Douglas Hamilton, MP, Minister of State at the Scottish Office, concerning government evidence to the Inquiry’.
Another document relates to correspondence between the clerk of the Dunblane inquiry, which was presided over by Lord Cullen, and a member of the public regarding ‘possible affiliations of Thomas Hamilton with Freemasonry … and copy letters from Thomas Hamilton’.
SNP deputy justice minister, Michael Matheson, said: ‘The explanation to date about the 100 -year rule was that it was put in place to protect the interests of children named in the Central Police report. How can that explanation stand when children aren’t named? The 100-year rule needs to be re-examined with respect to all documents.’
http://centurean2.wordpress.com/201...for-70-years-dunblane-operation-ore-dr-kelly/
LETTERS between Labour and Tory ministers and correspondence relating to Thomas Hamilton’s alleged involvement with Freemasonry are part of a batch of more than 100 documents about the Dunblane mass murder which have been sealed from public sight for 100 years.
The documents include a letter connected to Hamilton, which was sent by George Robertson, currently head of Nato, to Michael Forsyth, who was then Secretary of State for Scotland.
Until now it was thought that a 100-year public secrecy order had only been placed on one police report into Hamilton which allegedly named high-profile politicians and legal figures. However, a Sunday Herald investigation has uncovered that 106 documents, which were submitted to the Dunblane inquiry in 1996, were also placed under the 100-year rule.
The Scottish Executive has claimed the 100-year secrecy order was placed on the Central Police report, which was drafted in 1991 five years before the murders, to protect the identities of children named in the report. Hamilton had allegedly abused a number of children prior to his 1996 gun attack on Dunblane primary school in which 16 primary one children and a teacher died before Hamilton turned his gun on himself.
However, only a handful of the documents, which the Sunday Herald has discovered to be also subject to the 100-year rule, relate to children or name alleged abuse victims.
The most intriguing document is listed as: ‘Copy of letter from Thomas Hamilton to Dunblane parents regarding boys’ club, and flyer advertising Dunblane Boys’ Sports Club. Both sent to Rt Hon Michael Forsyth, MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, by George Robertson MP.’ Also closed under the 100-year rule is a ‘submission to Lord James Douglas Hamilton, MP, Minister of State at the Scottish Office, concerning government evidence to the Inquiry’.
Another document relates to correspondence between the clerk of the Dunblane inquiry, which was presided over by Lord Cullen, and a member of the public regarding ‘possible affiliations of Thomas Hamilton with Freemasonry … and copy letters from Thomas Hamilton’.
SNP deputy justice minister, Michael Matheson, said: ‘The explanation to date about the 100 -year rule was that it was put in place to protect the interests of children named in the Central Police report. How can that explanation stand when children aren’t named? The 100-year rule needs to be re-examined with respect to all documents.’
http://centurean2.wordpress.com/201...for-70-years-dunblane-operation-ore-dr-kelly/
Yeah I don't care about sexual abuse... why don't people who get upset about the subject of some of the posts I make take a breath before posting bile because they can't face the subject might have credence...
I don't give a f**k what you, webb, the mods, or anybody thinks of me personally. It's a message board.
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
Tbh I can't see any proof that gordon brown was a paedophile. However, the fact that gifter is posting this doesn't make him a 'nutjob' or an arsehole or anything like that, I'm sure he doesn't believe everything posted it's just for discussion and this seems like the thread for it. ( I actually find the card gag hilarious anyway and gifter's threads are normally interesting.
Howard Webb
Clive Wilson
You're a message board, you fudging plum.
Everyone's a peadophile or a mason. Ffs. What next, mel blanc ensnared kids on behalf of walt fudging disney
Edit not you jellyspur
Everyone's a peadophile or a mason. Ffs. What next, mel blanc ensnared kids on behalf of walt fudging disney
Edit not you jellyspur
Hardly 'everyone', but 'some' (statistics would suggest inevitably are), so, with that in mind why would you be so upset for someone to post a journalists accusations?
Because of cognitive dissonance probably.
It's OK Howard, the world is all well, it will be OK ... is that better!
You are exactly right, but I would not be shocked if it were completely true though!
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
So, um what do you think about these recent allegations about Jimmy Saville? Has it all been proved or is it still to be contested?
Webb- Yeah I know it wasn't
Gifter - you realise that site you've posted links to has links with Fox news right?
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
A mainstream conspiracy site that has podcasts on Itunes, links with fox and sponsors is posting this. I'm not sure it would be allowed if there was a shred of truth, really if we are to believe the US, the UK and countless other govts are involved in the cover up of said events.
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
Is there any actual....proof? (seems like I'm talking to myself now but, oh well) heres a response on the site that I liked:
'I read your links first time round. For the avoidance of any doubt, I've now read them a second time. And thanks for the Rense article too, interesting reading.
Addressing the thread ... that Gordon Brown is allegedly a paedo ... (and don't for one minute try widening this one to encompass other matters ... address this particular allegation).
The substance of the allegation boils down to a supposed conversation in 1986 between the man making the allegation, Mike James, and then Treasury Minister Norman Lamont. I'm not repeating the allegation here, if others are sufficiently curious they can read the links themselves.
Incidentally, 1986 is ten whole years before Dunblane. Did you even bother to check that before starting the thread ?
Anyway, that's all this allegation about Gordon Brown amounts to, a supposed conversation 24 years ago of which we have only this man's testimony as proof. He's provided nothing else of any kind whatever.
No evidence of any kind whatever ... I'm repeating that to get it in your brain.
That isn't good enough for me to go on, if it's good enough for you then more fool you.
But we don't know what you think, do we ? You hide behind the relative anonymity of the internet to repeat these disgusting allegations. Mm, that's fair (not).
The responsible thing to have done, assuming you honestly think there's any truth to the allegation, was to get in touch with the Procurator Fiscal's office in Kirkcaldy, pass them this "evidence" and see if it flies.
You'll make an jackass of yourself, obviously, but hey you'll brighten my day considerably.'
To which someone replied 'it seems you represent others' which if I understand correctly is them saying it's a conspiracy suppressor (there has to be a better word for that) sent from higher powers (govt/lizards/secret societies) which is an astounding thing to accuse someone of straight off the bat.
'I read your links first time round. For the avoidance of any doubt, I've now read them a second time. And thanks for the Rense article too, interesting reading.
Addressing the thread ... that Gordon Brown is allegedly a paedo ... (and don't for one minute try widening this one to encompass other matters ... address this particular allegation).
The substance of the allegation boils down to a supposed conversation in 1986 between the man making the allegation, Mike James, and then Treasury Minister Norman Lamont. I'm not repeating the allegation here, if others are sufficiently curious they can read the links themselves.
Incidentally, 1986 is ten whole years before Dunblane. Did you even bother to check that before starting the thread ?
Anyway, that's all this allegation about Gordon Brown amounts to, a supposed conversation 24 years ago of which we have only this man's testimony as proof. He's provided nothing else of any kind whatever.
No evidence of any kind whatever ... I'm repeating that to get it in your brain.
That isn't good enough for me to go on, if it's good enough for you then more fool you.
But we don't know what you think, do we ? You hide behind the relative anonymity of the internet to repeat these disgusting allegations. Mm, that's fair (not).
The responsible thing to have done, assuming you honestly think there's any truth to the allegation, was to get in touch with the Procurator Fiscal's office in Kirkcaldy, pass them this "evidence" and see if it flies.
You'll make an jackass of yourself, obviously, but hey you'll brighten my day considerably.'
To which someone replied 'it seems you represent others' which if I understand correctly is them saying it's a conspiracy suppressor (there has to be a better word for that) sent from higher powers (govt/lizards/secret societies) which is an astounding thing to accuse someone of straight off the bat.
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The original reports were published in mainstream media outlets as the first article I posted shows (News Of The World). It was an ex-mason leader and senior MP who said it was a cover up - Lord Burton (regarding the investigation into Dunblane, not the Brown stuff).
Jelly - 'It not being allowed if there was truth in it' is back to front is it not? If you uncovered something like this, would you not need to feel pretty strongly you could back it up before publishing? Why is there no slander cases in court is an interesting thing to ponder.
When I was a lifeguard in my late teens/early twenties, I recall watching a teacher with his class of boys who he was way to touchy-feely with, plus when he swam lengths we could see him going under when other men swan past and he would look at their privates (myself and others noticed this and agreed it was not right he was a teacher as his actions were clearly wrong when put together), when we discussed it I said I should phone the school as we felt he was not a fit person to be around young boys, but I was dissuaded from doing so (rightly I guess) because colleagues said 'you can't prove anything'. It's such a difficult subject, as I didn't have proof and perhaps the teacher never did act on his impulses, but it did eat at me that he might.
Howard, Ben etc. You can use the ignore function on me, I'm happy for anyone to.
Jelly - 'It not being allowed if there was truth in it' is back to front is it not? If you uncovered something like this, would you not need to feel pretty strongly you could back it up before publishing? Why is there no slander cases in court is an interesting thing to ponder.
When I was a lifeguard in my late teens/early twenties, I recall watching a teacher with his class of boys who he was way to touchy-feely with, plus when he swam lengths we could see him going under when other men swan past and he would look at their privates (myself and others noticed this and agreed it was not right he was a teacher as his actions were clearly wrong when put together), when we discussed it I said I should phone the school as we felt he was not a fit person to be around young boys, but I was dissuaded from doing so (rightly I guess) because colleagues said 'you can't prove anything'. It's such a difficult subject, as I didn't have proof and perhaps the teacher never did act on his impulses, but it did eat at me that he might.
Howard, Ben etc. You can use the ignore function on me, I'm happy for anyone to.
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For the record, as this is very emotive, I am not accusing anyone here, just posting reports I've read which vigorously suggest cover ups and links very high up in governments.
Nobody would bat an eyelid if I'd posted about clergy doing this type of thing, I don't understand why politicians should be held in higher regard personally.
Nobody would bat an eyelid if I'd posted about clergy doing this type of thing, I don't understand why politicians should be held in higher regard personally.
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
I get what you mean regarding the 'it not being allowed if there was truth in it' but, it just seems like if the government had gone to certain lengths to avoid anything from getting out or being leaked surely none of this would be seen on a mainstream source whether that be the news of the world or the website unless either it was supposed too (that is to say someone high up wanted it leaked (higher than lord burton, I was thinking cabinet+ sort of level)) or there was no evidence or weight to it so it didn't matter.
hmmm I wouldn't know what to do in that situation at all, my headteacher at primary school was caught with sexually abusing a child in my school and sent to prison and you'd have never had thought it before if you'd met him (although he was a arse before hand and thinking back he did seem a bit creepy but, that may a bit of retrospective editing on my memories part.).
I've always wondered about my position on paedophilia (obviously it's a evil and a completely disgusting and gutwrenching to think about) but, is it a mental illness or a choice?
hmmm I wouldn't know what to do in that situation at all, my headteacher at primary school was caught with sexually abusing a child in my school and sent to prison and you'd have never had thought it before if you'd met him (although he was a arse before hand and thinking back he did seem a bit creepy but, that may a bit of retrospective editing on my memories part.).
I've always wondered about my position on paedophilia (obviously it's a evil and a completely disgusting and gutwrenching to think about) but, is it a mental illness or a choice?
Revealed: British Premier Gordon
Brown Is A Pedophile
By Michael James in Germany
2-28-10
In the early months of 2003, just prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq, and working in conjunction with a London-based freelance journalist, who had thoroughly double-checked exposures published by the Scottish 'Sunday Herald' newspaper, I publicised details of a child-sex ring linked to senior ministers within the Blair government.
I initially published my findings, stemming from discrete leaks from a secret list provided by the American FBI to the 'Sunday Times' newspaper, and concomitantly discovered that Tony Blair had issued a gagging order to suppress all further discussion of a scandal that would most certainly have brought a swift end to his administration and made Britain's collusion in the destruction of Iraq impossible.
The articles I wrote concerning the "Operation Ore" cover-up and the 100-year blackout order imposed upon the report concerning the Dunblane massacre of children used and abused by senior Scottish Labour government ministers can still be found here:
Alleged Pedophiles at Helm of Britain's War Machine, Massive Cover-Up
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/alleged_pedophiles.html [Ref. 1]
Blair's Protection of Elite Paedophile Ring Spells the End For His Career
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html [Ref. 2]
Blackout in Britain: Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
http://www.counterpunch.org/james01292003.html
Blackout in Britain: Alleged Paedophiles at Helm of Britain's War Machine
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8257
Tony Blair Caught Protecting Elite Paedophile Ring
http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8258
Cremation of Care: The New World Order and the Dunblane Shootings
http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_dunblane.htm
Dunblane Secret Documents Contain Letters by Tory and Labour Ministers
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=600
These stories, which also implicated the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith, former NATO Boss Lord Robertson, and the Svengali of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's rise to power, the flamboyant homosexual Peter Mandelson (now Lord Mandelson), were widely publicised on the Internet, excited debate within numerous online forums, and inspired Robert Kilroy-Silk's former Veritas Party to undertake a detailed examination of the extent to which senior and junior ministers close to Gordon Brown were given free licence to engage in paedophiliac activities under the protection of the British intelligence services.
The 'Sunday Herald's' incendiary story ("Child Porn Arrests Too Slow", 19 January 2003), written by its Home Affair's correspondent Neil Mackay, disappeared rapidly from the Internet within weeks of my exposure. Mackay's editor, at first cooperative, subsequently refused to answer any further enquiries put to him by myself and the freelance journalist Bob Kearley.
Each and every letter I sent to the British Home Office, Scotland Yard and the Sunday Times solicited not one single reply.
Lord Robertson, a self-confessed Freemasonic member of Edinburgh's sinister "Speculative Society" lodge, who enjoyed a peculiarly close personal relationship with Thomas Hamilton, the mass murderer of abused children in Dunblane, failed to sue the Sunday Herald for libel and promptly disappeared from public life. Police records revealed that Robertson had helped expedite the process by which the Manchurian Candidate, Hamilton, already a convicted child molester with known affiliations to the British elite, was able to obtain gun licenses.
Roberston worked in collusion with Michael Forsyth (Secretary of State for Scotland), a fellow "Speculative Freemason" and Robert Bell, an associate of Malcolm Rifkind (British Foreign Secretary). Robertson, at the behest of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, had a vested interest in 'wasting' children who were beginning to talk.
On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a former Boy Scout leader walked into Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm pistols and two .357 Magnum revolvers. He killed sixteen small children and a teacher. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of fully metal-jacketed and hollow point ammunition. This horrific event led to the banning of handguns in the UK. [How convenient.]
The Judge who conducted the inquiry into the atrocity, during which two teachers claimed to have seen another mysterious man "guiding" Hamilton onto the premises, was Lord Cullen. Cullen, also a member of the Freemasonic Speculative Society and an associate of Labour "Scottish Mafia" figures such as Lord Robertson, Tony Blair, John Reid and Gordon Brown, was accused by leading journalists and emergency service personnel of having achieved a cover-up.
Cullen Report condemned as a 'whitewash'
According to journalist Marcello Mega, in The News of the World, 28 December 2003:
1. A top Scottish Freemason, Former Grand Master Lord Burton, has said that Lord Cullen's inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a cover-up.
Lord Burton says Cullen's inquiry suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.
2. These high-profile legal figures may belong to a secretive 'Super-Mason' group called The Speculative Society.
Lord Burton said: "I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route." Reportedly, members of the Speculative Society have included Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates.
3. Some of these high-profile people had links to the Queen Victoria School 'where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity'.
4. Reportedly the police are investigating claims that pupils at Queen Victoria School were regularly taken away and sexually abused.
5. Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told the News of the World how he even found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night. He said Hamilton had close links to a top policeman. Glenn was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry.
6. Lord Burton said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them." ( According to this source Cached - 'Malcolm Rifkind's friend and his then Chairman of his constituency party at Edinburgh Pentlands, Robert Bell, according to the front page lead of the Edinburgh Evening News on 23 March 1996, sold guns and ammunition to Thomas Hamilton only a few weeks before the Dunblane massacre, and it was reported he said he would sell him guns again.')
8. Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the Queen Victoria School and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991. It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.
9. Glenn states that Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at QVS. Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations.
Full:
http://rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
JellySpur
Espen Baardsen
It's the political ramifications of it really and also the fact they are a member of the public eye, if you were to say dodgy dave from leytonstone was a paedo I doubt it would be of much controversy but, to link to a site claiming a former prime minister was a paedo looks like you are endorsing the opinion to some and therefore leaves you open to ridicule due to the taboo nature of the claim. (not that you actually endorse it)