Ian Watkins

[yidnewps]

Re: Ian Watkins the new Savile.

he always said he was a fan of 'kids in glass houses'

 

[DHSF]

Re: Ian Watkins the new Savile.

I "was" a fan of Lost Prophets, been to several of their concerts and saw them when they headlined at Donnington a few years back. After this though i feel sick and will never buy any more of their music or see them live. I know its only one member of the band, but that guy has fudged up the rest of their careers if he is convicted. They say any news is good news, but not in this case for the band.

Mate - im a fan too (although not as big as you) and I would say until proven guilty he is innocent.

I dont know why stuff like this comes out in the press. UNTIL someone is found guilty all this type of stuff should be kept quiet and a gagging order immediately placed. Things like this can ruin peoples lives - even if found innocent.

How many times have we read alleged rapists not being convicted? yet they may as well be convicted because peoples views of them are already tarnished.

 

[P.D.]

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But kiddy porn was found on his computer as well don't forget. Regardless of the other charges that still a sickening thing to have.

 

[DHSF]

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But kiddy porn was found on his computer as well don't forget. Regardless of the other charges that still a sickening thing to have.

I agree its sickening and disgusting. I would still give benefit of the doubt - he could have been set up or something - I can only speculate.

 

[P.D.]

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Well when its found on a computer I think it's fair to assume that something dodgy is going on. I am yet to hear a legitimate reason for anyone having that kind of thing on their computer.

 

[DHSF]

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Well when its found on a computer I think it's fair to assume that something dodgy is going on. I am yet to hear a legitimate reason for anyone having that kind of thing on their computer.

Me neither and I agree - its just my nature to always give people benefit of the doubt.

I suppose it is strange - this is a guy part of a popular band and im sure he has his fair share of women after him etc so I find it difficult to believe he could have this kind of stuff on his PC. Obviously its a deranged state of mind that even if you have the women in the world you still want the younger kids so to speak.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

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Well when its found on a computer I think it's fair to assume that something dodgy is going on. I am yet to hear a legitimate reason for anyone having that kind of thing on their computer.

Pete townsend said he was researching a book, though years on he still has not brought it out maybe the publishers have not signed him up, i had great difficulty trying to sell my autobiography so much that i decided to print the book myself.

 

[thfcsteff]

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Me neither and I agree - its just my nature to always give people benefit of the doubt.

I suppose it is strange - this is a guy part of a popular band and im sure he has his fair share of women after him etc so I find it difficult to believe he could have this kind of stuff on his PC. Obviously its a deranged state of mind that even if you have the women in the world you still want the younger kids so to speak.

Mate,

Celebrity cannot mask something which is deep inside someone, in fact, what can happen is that it unleashes a whole crew of enablers who oftentimes WITHOUT KNOWING are allowing someone who is sick/mentally disturbed in this way to have access to situations which are beyond anyone's comprehension. I find it very very possible that none of his bandmates had any idea he was a nonce (oftentimes bands are like any other 'work' situation where you work closely but actually stay away from each other when not working, if only to preserve the working relationship!)...I feel very sorry for the rest of his bandmates if, indeed, they did not have a clue (as I suspect is the case)...sick people in this industry go to great lengths to hide. The thing people might never find out here, is how many people he co-erced into fulfilling whatever it is he wanted fulfilling. I find nonces absolutely disgusting. it is the lowest of the low, and I cannot be rational when discussing punishments for them, because despite my anti-death penalty leanings, I know if anyone ever laid so much as an unwanted hair on my kids heads, I would want Bronson/Stamp/Eastwood style retribution however 'unreasonable' that sounds.

Tragic for the victims.

 

[JellySpur]

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Pete townsend said he was researching a book, though years on he still has not brought it out maybe the publishers have not signed him up, i had great difficulty trying to sell my autobiography so much that i decided to print the book myself.

Townshend is a bit different though in that he had prior to being investigated written about the subject and mentioned that he had accessed the site once and contacted the police immediately afterwards who didn't get back to him.

 

[DHSF]

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Mate,

Celebrity cannot mask something which is deep inside someone, in fact, what can happen is that it unleashes a whole crew of enablers who oftentimes WITHOUT KNOWING are allowing someone who is sick/mentally disturbed in this way to have access to situations which are beyond anyone's comprehension. I find it very very possible that none of his bandmates had any idea he was a nonce (oftentimes bands are like any other 'work' situation where you work closely but actually stay away from each other when not working, if only to preserve the working relationship!)...I feel very sorry for the rest of his bandmates if, indeed, they did not have a clue (as I suspect is the case)...sick people in this industry go to great lengths to hide. The thing people might never find out here, is how many people he co-erced into fulfilling whatever it is he wanted fulfilling. I find nonces absolutely disgusting. it is the lowest of the low, and I cannot be rational when discussing punishments for them, because despite my anti-death penalty leanings, I know if anyone ever laid so much as an unwanted hair on my kids heads, I would want Bronson/Stamp/Eastwood style retribution however 'unreasonable' that sounds.

Tragic for the victims.

I agree IF he is found guilty - he is not guilty yet. I am not a fan of our justice system but its the only thing we can really go on.

I am certainly not a believer in the death penalty then again if someone murdered any of my friends or family I'm sure ill change my mind.

Another point - is there not a case that these nonces are actually mentally sick? No one grows up wanting kids and turned on by them. Maybe I give too much benefit of the doubt but maybe they are just sick people and rather being punished they are treated appropriately.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

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I agree IF he is found guilty - he is not guilty yet. I am not a fan of our justice system but its the only thing we can really go on.

I am certainly not a believer in the death penalty then again if someone murdered any of my friends or family I'm sure ill change my mind.

Another point - is there not a case that these nonces are actually mentally sick? No one grows up wanting kids and turned on by them. Maybe I give too much benefit of the doubt but maybe they are just sick people and rather being punished they are treated appropriately.

How would you treat someone for something like that? serious point and i mean it.

The wife works with people with drug problems and some of them do get better but a persons sexual preferences are not going to change, if you like men your gay and fine if you like women your straight and fine, if you like children your not fine and they themselves must know it, they give in to there urges and that is not on.

Joking aside the are times when i felt i could have hurt people that messed me around and in all seriousness the only reason that those people are still living and breathing is because i knew it was wrong and i am scared of prison. So the is some things i would like to do but dont because it is wrong. Now if these people are doing things to children that they know is wrong i do not think they will ever be cured.

It is such an extreme act that if found guilty they should use the lethal injection, when a dog is diseased you put it down. People like to go about how we are humans and better then animals. But what separates us from the animals is our ability to think and make proper decesions. If someone makes the decesion to rape a child then they are not better then a diseas animal and need to be put down.

Anyone who has read my posts over the years will know im a little right wing on things like the EU and immgration and crime but this is not me trying to live up to an image because on a lot of things and especailly sexuality im actually quite liberal. But stuff with kids is not on really is not.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

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Townshend is a bit different though in that he had prior to being investigated written about the subject and mentioned that he had accessed the site once and contacted the police immediately afterwards who didn't get back to him.

hahaha yeah i know mate. I just stole a packet of ham from waitrose in chichester tonight, did it just to see how easy it was as im writing a book about shop lifting. If i was a nonce aand give into my urges one night i imagine the first thing i would do is contact the police and say i was writing a book and my research lead me onto a site but i was disgusted by what i saw, obviously.

Believe what you want buddy and i dont mind if you call me a cynical old **** but i always think the worst of people





and im never wrong.


don't play who records anymore which is a shame as they had some crackers.

 

[thfcsteff]

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I agree IF he is found guilty - he is not guilty yet. I am not a fan of our justice system but its the only thing we can really go on.

I am certainly not a believer in the death penalty then again if someone murdered any of my friends or family I'm sure ill change my mind.

Another point - is there not a case that these nonces are actually mentally sick? No one grows up wanting kids and turned on by them. Maybe I give too much benefit of the doubt but maybe they are just sick people and rather being punished they are treated appropriately.

I agree, innocent until proven guilty but already it has leaked out that things were found on his computer. The question should probably be how that happened, as a fair trial will be very difficult unless they can close a slam-dunk case and have further irrefutable evidence which renders a trial moot. And yes, as I said above, it is a mental illness/fusing issue, but sadly (as I have understood it speaking with professionals in the medical field) rehabilitation and treatment of nonces is simply not possible, ditto serial killers; both have irreversible mental patterns. If we were being clinical we would say they were broken eggs. And whilst I think it's an incredibly dangerous path to walk down (depending on who's in power, the slightest mark on egg could render it 'broken') when it comes to nonces and child crimes, my middle-aged view has become much more extreme than ever it used to be. I can find no redemption. For me, they must go away forever.

 

[africanspurs]

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Well when its found on a computer I think it's fair to assume that something dodgy is going on. I am yet to hear a legitimate reason for anyone having that kind of thing on their computer.

cant hackers put stuff on people's computers? i would have thought something like that was possible....but i am not a tech kind of guys

 

[thfcsteff]

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cant hackers put stuff on people's computers? i would have thought something like that was possible....but i am not a tech kind of guys

That's actually an excellent question and something I hadn't even thought of...not a techie myself, so yeah, question worth asking...

 

[P.D.]

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Well I am sure they can but again unlikely. He was charges with possessing, creating and making images. Probably means he's in some of them and I doubt its photoshop at play here.

 

[DHSF]

Re: Ian Watkins the new Savile.

I agree, innocent until proven guilty but already it has leaked out that things were found on his computer. The question should probably be how that happened, as a fair trial will be very difficult unless they can close a slam-dunk case and have further irrefutable evidence which renders a trial moot. And yes, as I said above, it is a mental illness/fusing issue, but sadly (as I have understood it speaking with professionals in the medical field) rehabilitation and treatment of nonces is simply not possible, ditto serial killers; both have irreversible mental patterns. If we were being clinical we would say they were broken eggs. And whilst I think it's an incredibly dangerous path to walk down (depending on who's in power, the slightest mark on egg could render it 'broken') when it comes to nonces and child crimes, my middle-aged view has become much more extreme than ever it used to be. I can find no redemption. For me, they must go away forever.

If it is an 'illness' then why or how can we justify punishing them by death or by jail when in fact (although im not learned in this area) they should be put into a mental home or something akin to that.

Its like taking a cancer patient to a pregnancy unit rather than to an oncology one. The patient aint gonna improve in health in a pregnancy unit.

You argue that they should go away forever but if we say its an 'illness' and these nonces improve in mental health then surely they should be allowed out?

Like I say whilst I have no tolerance for this behavior from them I a) give them the benefit of the doubt until proven very guilty and b) give everyone a second chance and c) have pity on them so I feel that they should be treated for as long as it takes and if there is a significant evident improvement then be let out and slowly re-integrated back into society.

Then again if I had kids and something happened to them then id want to hose perpetrators to die and most probably ill kill em.

 

[JellySpur]

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hahaha yeah i know mate. I just stole a packet of ham from waitrose in chichester tonight, did it just to see how easy it was as im writing a book about shop lifting. If i was a nonce and give into my urges one night i imagine the first thing i would do is contact the police and say i was writing a book and my research lead me onto a site but i was disgusted by what i saw, obviously.

Believe what you want buddy and i dont mind if you call me a cynical old **** but i always think the worst of people
and im never wrong.
don't play who records anymore which is a shame as they had some crackers.

Ah well fair enough, I wouldn't call you cynical (don't really know you mate ), I believe him, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong but, after reading more into the subject and reading interviews and the books (which was eventually released with his autobiography) I just believe him. I could be wrong but, I'm not.

Why don't you play them? If you've already got the records he's not getting anymore money out of it. Love the who (maybe a reason for bias on my part).

 

[Swifty]

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If it is an 'illness' then why or how can we justify punishing them by death or by jail when in fact (although im not learned in this area) they should be put into a mental home or something akin to that.

Its like taking a cancer patient to a pregnancy unit rather than to an oncology one. The patient aint gonna improve in health in a pregnancy unit.

You argue that they should go away forever but if we say its an 'illness' and these nonces improve in mental health then surely they should be allowed out?

Like I say whilst I have no tolerance for this behavior from them I a) give them the benefit of the doubt until proven very guilty and b) give everyone a second chance and c) have pity on them so I feel that they should be treated for as long as it takes and if there is a significant evident improvement then be let out and slowly re-integrated back into society.

Then again if I had kids and something happened to them then id want to hose perpetrators to die and most probably ill kill em.

This is a really interesting point, but where do you draw the line? For example a lot of murderers may commit murder because they get a "kick" out of it (similar with other crimes I suppose), is this because they are ill in some way, and should be put in a mental home?

You've also stumbled onto the interesting debate of when someone commits a crime whether you want to punish them, make them better or protect society. Of course you can want varying amounts of all three but sometimes the interests there will conflict.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Ian Watkins the new Savile.

If it is an 'illness' then why or how can we justify punishing them by death or by jail when in fact (although im not learned in this area) they should be put into a mental home or something akin to that.

Its like taking a cancer patient to a pregnancy unit rather than to an oncology one. The patient aint gonna improve in health in a pregnancy unit.

You argue that they should go away forever but if we say its an 'illness' and these nonces improve in mental health then surely they should be allowed out?

Like I say whilst I have no tolerance for this behavior from them I a) give them the benefit of the doubt until proven very guilty and b) give everyone a second chance and c) have pity on them so I feel that they should be treated for as long as it takes and if there is a significant evident improvement then be let out and slowly re-integrated back into society.

Then again if I had kids and something happened to them then id want to hose perpetrators to die and most probably ill kill em.

This is they key. Apparently, pedophiles and serial killers cannot be rehabed. Again, it shocked me to find myself so utterly hateful of nonces, but I am and frankly, the very least I could feel good about is solo life in prison.