Have We Got The Worst Atmosphere In The Country

[Bedfordspurs]

If you play decent football
The fans will back you a bit
If you show fight the fans will buy into it
If you meek and mild… you get that back

 

[Jordinho]

Spurs have terrible fans. There's no other way about it. Expect perfection because then you can moan about everything. I think it's very likely I'll give up going to the stadium soon. It just isn't worth it. The only reason I go now is if there's something else lined up like a concert.

 

[makkag]

That's gonads ... the games changed people sat with pizzas on their laps watching the game are never going to create an atmosphere.. it's all about consumerism.. we pay a high price to be there and at the least expect to be entertained not flucking board to death and no passion and commitment.

Atmosphere was decent enough in the south before the game and arguably decent enough in the first half .

You serve up brick like today and expect me to sing my heart out whilst paying £100 a pop minimum to be there ... no

I don't drink anymore so it's not about a few with your pals catching up ...my 10yo has a st as well and he's lost interest in coming ... think I keep my st's out of addiction rather than enjoyment..

It's just not as fun many of my lot have been going for 30 odd years and never have we been so disenfranchised about home games .. the away games feel like all I have left .. think I'd happily sit on the sofa and watch most home games .

I don't think this is a us problem either many mates from other clubs my age feeling the same .

It's not the game we knew and the new youngsters are being priced out of going, so what's left are diehards, grumpy middle aged men or tourists (I don't just mean international fans but transients)

Ramble over .. that was flucking brick .. I'm taking a break till Fulham

 

[DeanoAustin]

Spurs have terrible fans. There's no other way about it. Expect perfection because then you can moan about everything. I think it's very likely I'll give up going to the stadium soon. It just isn't worth it. The only reason I go now is if there's something else lined up like a concert.

Didn’t think the crowd were that bad today. There was literally nothing to get behind.

That said, the lad about 3 down from me has a new target for his abuse. After destroying Dier, Winks and Johnson, Xavi is now the object of his hatred. Crucified him throughout especially on the goal despite the fudge ups by other players which played a much bigger part.

 

[DeanoAustin]

That's gonads ... the games changed people sat with pizzas on their laps watching the game are never going to create an atmosphere.. it's all about consumerism.. we pay a high price to be there and at the least expect to be entertained not flucking board to death and no passion and commitment.

Atmosphere was decent enough in the south before the game and arguably decent enough in the first half .

You serve up brick like today and expect me to sing my heart out whilst paying £100 a pop minimum to be there ... no

I don't drink anymore so it's not about a few with your pals catching up ...my 10yo has a st as well and he's lost interest in coming ... think I keep my st's out of addiction rather than enjoyment..

It's just not as fun many of my lot have been going for 30 odd years and never have we been so disenfranchised about home games .. the away games feel like all I have left .. think I'd happily sit on the sofa and watch most home games .

I don't think this is a us problem either many mates from other clubs my age feeling the same .

It's not the game we knew and the new youngsters are being priced out of going, so what's left are diehards, grumpy middle aged men or tourists (I don't just mean international fans but transients)

Ramble over .. that was flucking brick .. I'm taking a break till Fulham

Saw two lads taking selfies with about 5 minutes to go with their backs to play and smiling like macarons. I know we weren’t scoring in a month of Sundays but who the fudge does that?

 

[Jordinho]

Didn’t think the crowd were that bad today. There was literally nothing to get behind.

That said, the lad about 3 down from me has a new target for his abuse. After destroying Dier, Winks and Johnson, Xavi is now the object of his hatred. Crucified him throughout especially on the goal despite the fudge ups by other players which played a much bigger part.

It's not about today. Every game I go to costs me about the equivalent of a season ticket. At this point I'd rather watch it on tv as the stadium is dead unless we sing about Arsenal. There's nothing left to enjoy.

 

[makkag]

Saw two lads taking selfies with about 5 minutes to go with their backs to play and smiling like macarons. I know we weren’t scoring in a month of Sundays but who the fudge does that?

It's brick as a fan but probably just an experience or day out for them .. I guess it's their money they can do what they want with it but it's what the game has become ... look at internationals ... used to go England games when younger including a few tournaments... no flucking chance now . Meaningless soulless friendlys ... tournaments in three countries.. pricing a months mortgage payment... nah ... I've held back for a while but the old games gone ... the people are gone .. you'll get the odd game like scum /city ... but the last bastion of old football is an away end and that's about it (appreciate that's an increasingly closed shop as well)

 

[Finney Is Back]

Didn’t think the crowd were that bad today. There was literally nothing to get behind.

That said, the lad about 3 down from me has a new target for his abuse. After destroying Dier, Winks and Johnson, Xavi is now the object of his hatred. Crucified him throughout especially on the goal despite the fudge ups by other players which played a much bigger part.

One near me doing the same, even when he does something that is fine. Whilst Xavi didn’t have a good game I thought he was the only player in the team actually trying to get on the ball and make something happen. We were even worse, if that was actually possible today, after he went off.

 

[DeanoAustin]

It's not about today. Every game I go to costs me about the equivalent of a season ticket. At this point I'd rather watch it on tv as the stadium is dead unless we sing about Arsenal. There's nothing left to enjoy.

Yeah I hear you. Costs me an arm and a leg too. Been to 3 this season and haven’t enjoyed one. I miss the next few for various reasons and will only get to Liverpool before the new year. While I’d go to the others if I could, I can’t say I’m too upset.

I binned off my young fellas game today to go. His game got rained off which took away some of the guilt. Have to say, right now, I get immeasurably more pleasure from watching him and his team than watching Spurs.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I get talking to a couple of Liverpool fans who I know only relatively recently at my son's football and they always talk or ask about Spurs. And any time they praise us, almost like a knee jerk reaction, I put us down ("I'm used to disappointment", "this won't last", "typical Spurs" etc.). Both of them have commented on it by saying Spurs fans are generally quite pessimistic/miserable.

I have a season ticket in the East Upper, I go to 12-15 games a season and I'll join in with some of the singing albeit I'll never be accused of being an ultra. I'll never boo a player or the team but if I'm typical of a lot of Spurs fans (and not even the worst ones), we do seem to be an odd bunch.

Has a team had as many near misses as us? Genuine question. I feel there is baggage because we have fallen short in good positions.

 

[Jordinho]

Yeah I hear you. Costs me an arm and a leg too. Been to 3 this season and haven’t enjoyed one. I miss the next few for various reasons and will only get to Liverpool before the new year. While I’d go to the others if I could, I can’t say I’m too upset.

I binned off my young fellas game today to go. His game got rained off which took away some of the guilt. Have to say, right now, I get immeasurably more pleasure from watching him and his team than watching Spurs.

I went to Burnley, which was okay I guess. Then Aston Villa which was crap, but I got to see the mighty Helloween at Hammersmith the next day. Going again to Brentford and Slavia. At least we've got some wrestling lined up on the Sunday.

 

[3DSpur]

A story as old as time.

 

[carl]

That's gonads ... the games changed people sat with pizzas on their laps watching the game are never going to create an atmosphere.. it's all about consumerism.. we pay a high price to be there and at the least expect to be entertained not flucking board to death and no passion and commitment.

Atmosphere was decent enough in the south before the game and arguably decent enough in the first half .

You serve up brick like today and expect me to sing my heart out whilst paying £100 a pop minimum to be there ... no

I don't drink anymore so it's not about a few with your pals catching up ...my 10yo has a st as well and he's lost interest in coming ... think I keep my st's out of addiction rather than enjoyment..

It's just not as fun many of my lot have been going for 30 odd years and never have we been so disenfranchised about home games .. the away games feel like all I have left .. think I'd happily sit on the sofa and watch most home games .

I don't think this is a us problem either many mates from other clubs my age feeling the same .

It's not the game we knew and the new youngsters are being priced out of going, so what's left are diehards, grumpy middle aged men or tourists (I don't just mean international fans but transients)

Ramble over .. that was flucking brick .. I'm taking a break till Fulham

I was having a similar conversation with my 16 year old son on the way back from the game Saturday.

I dont know if it's an age thing with me and maybe being nostalgic but I just find football (most games, not just spurs) really really boring. Feels like something had changed these last few years with every team playing the same boring way, ref blowing for nothing fouls every minute, players wasting time, var etc.

I think back to the days when we were really brick (late 90's, early 2000's) and even then there were plenty of moments that got you out of your seat, something to get the crowd going. Would never have dreamt of missing a game then and would watch what ever games were live on sky. I dont even watch MOTD now

 

[thfcsteff]

I was having a similar conversation with my 16 year old son on the way back from the game Saturday.

I dont know if it's an age thing with me and maybe being nostalgic but I just find football (most games, not just spurs) really really boring. Feels like something had changed these last few years with every team playing the same boring way, ref blowing for nothing fouls every minute, players wasting time, var etc.

I think back to the days when we were really brick (late 90's, early 2000's) and even then there were plenty of moments that got you out of your seat, something to get the crowd going. Would never have dreamt of missing a game then and would watch what ever games were live on sky. I dont even watch MOTD now

It is a worrying thing. Those of us of similar vintage have been having similar conversations. I still remember a last minute equaliser at the old Filbert Street during a midweek game at Leicester in 97 as creating one of the better away celebrations I remember (caveman from everyone). Is it an age thing? An era thing? This was the last era that great songs were created, and even the standards ('who ate all the pies') were belted out with abandon AND received reciprocal jovial responses...christ, where's my pipe and slippers??!!!!!!

But yes, I don't expect to 'win' everything but I DO expect to feel excited or get excited sometimes by what I'm seeing. What was it Danny Blanchflower said?...

I think defintely since covid anyway, there is now such a fear about making a mistake that it is stifling everything. Teams are afraid to be bold. Refs are afraid to make decisions (or not). VAR is a tool of fear disguised as a tool of correction. It's all driven so much more than ever by finance IMO, and the fear of lost revenue.

 

[tommysvr]

I was having a similar conversation with my 16 year old son on the way back from the game Saturday.

I dont know if it's an age thing with me and maybe being nostalgic but I just find football (most games, not just spurs) really really boring. Feels like something had changed these last few years with every team playing the same boring way, ref blowing for nothing fouls every minute, players wasting time, var etc.

I think back to the days when we were really brick (late 90's, early 2000's) and even then there were plenty of moments that got you out of your seat, something to get the crowd going. Would never have dreamt of missing a game then and would watch what ever games were live on sky. I dont even watch MOTD now

The football is particularly brick right now. All following the trend Arsenal set with corners, long throws etc. But if it's just the football then I think we have this period in every decade. It was Stoke 10 years ago, Bolton before that, probably most teams other than Man Utd & Arsenal in the 90s. Maybe the difference then was that you were unlikely to win stuff playing that way. But like everything, football is cyclical and within 24 months I think we'll see the teams that play football will start to dominate again (that's one of the reasons I would have doubled down on an aggressive, attacking style of play now. Get ahead of things, rather than merely following the trends.)

I think the crowd part has changed massively though. Is it to do with that fact that we've now got instant gratification at our fingertips? Watch literally whatever content you want whenever you want, order something to be delivered within 6 hours etc. Football does not provide that at all. Football makes you work for the gratification, and those moments are typically very rare. That should make them more special, but instead I think it just makes the 'journey' to get there even more frustrating for many people.

Could be a load of brick but that's how I feel.

 

[thfcsteff]

The football is particularly brick right now. All following the trend Arsenal set with corners, long throws etc. But if it's just the football then I think we have this period in every decade. It was Stoke 10 years ago, Bolton before that, probably most teams other than Man Utd & Arsenal in the 90s. Maybe the difference then was that you were unlikely to win stuff playing that way. But like everything, football is cyclical and within 24 months I think we'll see the teams that play football will start to dominate again (that's one of the reasons I would have doubled down on an aggressive, attacking style of play now. Get ahead of things, rather than merely following the trends.)

I think the crowd part has changed massively though. Is it to do with that fact that we've now got instant gratification at our fingertips? Watch literally whatever content you want whenever you want, order something to be delivered within 6 hours etc. Football does not provide that at all. Football makes you work for the gratification, and those moments are typically very rare. That should make them more special, but instead I think it just makes the 'journey' to get there even more frustrating for many people.

Could be a load of brick but that's how I feel.

Really good observations

 

[glasgowspur]

The football is particularly brick right now. All following the trend Arsenal set with corners, long throws etc. But if it's just the football then I think we have this period in every decade. It was Stoke 10 years ago, Bolton before that, probably most teams other than Man Utd & Arsenal in the 90s. Maybe the difference then was that you were unlikely to win stuff playing that way. But like everything, football is cyclical and within 24 months I think we'll see the teams that play football will start to dominate again (that's one of the reasons I would have doubled down on an aggressive, attacking style of play now. Get ahead of things, rather than merely following the trends.)

I think the crowd part has changed massively though. Is it to do with that fact that we've now got instant gratification at our fingertips? Watch literally whatever content you want whenever you want, order something to be delivered within 6 hours etc. Football does not provide that at all. Football makes you work for the gratification, and those moments are typically very rare. That should make them more special, but instead I think it just makes the 'journey' to get there even more frustrating for many people.

Could be a load of brick but that's how I feel.

The first reaction of a lot of people isn't to celebrate, it's to reach for their phone.
I expect one day that after a goal the only sound to be heard will be the rustling of jackets as the crowd fish their phones out to film everyone else filming each other.

 

[glorygloryeze]

The football is particularly brick right now. All following the trend Arsenal set with corners, long throws etc. But if it's just the football then I think we have this period in every decade. It was Stoke 10 years ago, Bolton before that, probably most teams other than Man Utd & Arsenal in the 90s. Maybe the difference then was that you were unlikely to win stuff playing that way. But like everything, football is cyclical and within 24 months I think we'll see the teams that play football will start to dominate again (that's one of the reasons I would have doubled down on an aggressive, attacking style of play now. Get ahead of things, rather than merely following the trends.)

I think the crowd part has changed massively though. Is it to do with that fact that we've now got instant gratification at our fingertips? Watch literally whatever content you want whenever you want, order something to be delivered within 6 hours etc. Football does not provide that at all. Football makes you work for the gratification, and those moments are typically very rare. That should make them more special, but instead I think it just makes the 'journey' to get there even more frustrating for many people.

Could be a load of brick but that's how I feel.

Very good post.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

ref blowing for nothing fouls every minute,

Ironically he certainly wasn't doing that Saturday

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I think the crowd part has changed massively though. Is it to do with that fact that we've now got instant gratification at our fingertips? Watch literally whatever content you want whenever you want, order something to be delivered within 6 hours etc. Football does not provide that at all. Football makes you work for the gratification, and those moments are typically very rare. That should make them more special, but instead I think it just makes the 'journey' to get there even more frustrating for many people.

Could be a load of brick but that's how I feel.

We are being distracted, occupied, externalised, desensitised and ultimately numbed.