Not just me, pretty much everyone who doesn't get their information from Al Jazeera.
Interesting seeing what it's surrounded by too.
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Interesting seeing what it's surrounded by too.
I understand, of course, that's not doing what I thought it was.
I'd say the difference between being one of the architects of something like the holocaust and being a strong supporter of it who meets with with and encourages those carrying it out is a fairly small one.
I'm fairly sure Netanyahu himself clarified that some time ago.
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Barry Daines
Before Hamas existed there was instead the PLO. Guess what the PLO's stated aim was?... To establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel. Over time the PLO softened their stance and started to at least indicate they would agree a two state solution.
Hamas then defeated the PLO in Gaza on a mandate of there only being a single Islamic state on that land. The people in Gaza elected them on that basis.
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Paul Gascoigne
I got mine from the MOD
I’m not pro hamas
But I’m certainly pro the current way Israel let their own people die to give them then reason to do what they have done
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Erik Thorstvedt
As a Jew I am not stupid enough to use that comparison
Well that was not the context of the original speech made, that is clear as day and it took Jewish Scholars and leaders to come out and rebuttal the claims and given the timelines it was not even a fit of what he claimed.
If he was trying to claim what you say, he could have said it as you say it, he never did
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Barry Daines
I'm not convinced much would change for the better unless the people and those in power in the countries surrounding Israel actually accept the ongoing existence of Israel
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Erik Thorstvedt
I think there is a need for that on both sides of the fence. Which is my overall point. Just because Israel government do what they do with a little more swagger and diplomacy, doesn't mean they don't look and view Palestine with the same level of distain as the other way. I think its pretty clear from the verbiage that comes
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Barry Daines
Took over from the PLO who were formed in 1964 with the goal of eliminating Israel through armed struggle.
Hamas overthrew the PLO on the mandate of continuing that same agenda after the PLO indicated a willingness to negotiate a two state solution. The people of Gaza elected Hamas knowing this.
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Barry Daines
Israel have been prepared to sit down and negotiate two state solutions and made offers (at least two of which on the face of them were pretty damn good offers). The states immediately surrounding Israel are ruled by people who only want a one state solution. The last party to sit down and negotiate a two state solution with Israel was overthrown by Hamas, with the support of the people in Gaza (and Iran of course).
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Erik Thorstvedt
Yet around 75% of the country want a single state solution.
Anyway, I will leave you and others to try and find a solution, I am happy to have empathy for both sides of the fence on a human level and believe politically they both have cnuts servicing them.
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Gazza
Johnny Morrison
One is a terrorist state one is a democracy. Even though the current elected chap is not amazing …. I know which country I’d rather live in. It’s like when Blair was in charge, get elected but was morally corrupt.
At the end of the day Israel has the right to exist, Jews have the right to a homeland. Islamists have no right to participate in the modern world. They have plenty of countries to choose to prescribe their indoctrination. However the progressive Muslim majority countries like the UAE Saudi etc wouldn’t tolerate anything to that tune.
At the end of the day Israel has the right to exist, Jews have the right to a homeland. Islamists have no right to participate in the modern world. They have plenty of countries to choose to prescribe their indoctrination. However the progressive Muslim majority countries like the UAE Saudi etc wouldn’t tolerate anything to that tune.
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Erik Thorstvedt
Jews and Palestinians both have that right........
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Johnny Morrison
Absolutely. Nothing more than I would wish for the Palestine people to live free of Hamas, have good ties with their neighbours where they can actually both prosper and live in peace, freedom and dignity.