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I can understand where you are coming from to a certain extent, but, people have to be responsible for their own actions. Similarly we have alcoholics but we cant stop peoples enjoyment of a few beers on a night out because some cannot control themselves. The FOBT's are the future and we are told to push them relentlessly.

Sorry mate but I disagree. Think of gambling like smoking. Smokers are addicted to their habit and the government is continuously pushing for more people to quit but there are still around 20%+ of the population who are smokers. The good thing with smoking however is that you cannot put yourself in financial ruin during a crazy moment within a day/week/month. Same can't be said to gamblers on machines allowing you to stake £100 in 3 seconds.

I have known and still know people who have lost family/businesses and friends through their illness and I use the term illness because no man with self control would ever throw away what some of these people have thrown away in a healthy state of mind.

Every sporting event is now inundated with gambling adverts. Late TV is now flooded with roulette. What is this teaching our kids? The government is simply turning a blind eye because of all the taxable income especially in a recession. Tony Blair has a lot of responsibility on his hands and if I ever hear a labor supporter say the party is here to help the poor and needy while being responsible for the signing of the reformed gambling act I will personally slap him in his face.
 
I found this and it reminded me of this thread. I know some of you feel really strongly about fobt so thought I'd share. The screening is on Monday 7th December in Brixton.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ka-ching-the-rise-and-rise-of-the-pokies-tickets-19466121694?aff=es2

I think that was screened down here not long ago. Pokies are disgusting. My parents have been sucked into them. I used to go into the casino with them when they had "free dinners" which of course had the obligatory predinner drinks in the VIP room. It's so pathetic. None of the staff could look me in the eye.

Those who argue free will and so forth, it's not that simple. These machines are programmed to manipulate you. Some people can't compete with that. Governments need to step in and not make it so accessible.

I'm glad we're not sponsored by a betting company anymore.
 
there are so many regulations in play that (most people) are unaware of, that a lot of what has been said on here just can't happen.
same as any business, there are unscrupulous operators, and they do get caught out if they don't adhere to the rules.
 
I think that was screened down here not long ago. Pokies are disgusting. My parents have been sucked into them. I used to go into the casino with them when they had "free dinners" which of course had the obligatory predinner drinks in the VIP room. It's so pathetic. None of the staff could look me in the eye.

Those who argue free will and so forth, it's not that simple. These machines are programmed to manipulate you. Some people can't compete with that. Governments need to step in and not make it so accessible.

I'm glad we're not sponsored by a betting company anymore.[/QUOTE]

Insurance!?
 
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...t-home-jobs-family-gambling-commission-report

Paddy Power 'encouraged gambler until he lost his home, jobs and family'

Rob Davies
Bookmaker Paddy Power encouraged a problem gambler to keep betting until he lost five jobs, his home and access to his children, according to a report by the Gambling Commission.

The company also failed to perform sufficient checks to ensure customers were not using its betting machines to launder the proceeds of crime. The betting regulatorsaid Paddy Power would make a voluntary payment of £280,000 to a “socially responsible” cause following its findings.

Paddy Power will also review procedures designed to prevent money laundering and problem gambling and agree to share details of its own failings with the rest of the industry. But politicians and campaigners called for a review of the industry following the report, as they warned of an out of control gambling epidemic in the UK.
In one case, Paddy Power admitted that senior staff encouraged a man with a gambling problem to keep betting despite warnings by more junior employees.

The man, referred to only as Customer A, was a frequent user of fixed odds betting terminals (FOBTs), which have been referred to as the “crack cocaine” of gambling. The machines allow customers to bet up to £100 every 20 seconds on games such as roulette and blackjack, for which the odds are fixed.

In May 2014, Paddy Power staff became aware that Customer A was working five separate jobs to fund his gambling and “had no money”, the Gambling Commission said. Although he claimed to be comfortable with his level of gambling, shop staff passed their concerns up the chain to senior staff, who advised monitoring him.

Later that month, the shop manager informed a more senior member of staff that Customer A would be visiting the shop less frequently. The senior employee responded by advising that “steps should be taken to try to increase Customer A’s visits and time spent in the gambling premises”.

“This was grossly at odds with the licensing objective of preventing vulnerable people from being exploited by gambling,” said the Gambling Commission.

The shop manager “recorded some discomfort” about the senior employee’s advice, according to the commission, and staff later noticed that the customer was “spending heavily and [...] looked unwell and as if he had not slept for a while”. He was only advised to seek help for gambling addiction in August 2014, when a staff member met him on the street and learned that he had lost all of his jobs, was homeless and had lost access to his children.

Paddy Power has posted a record annual pre-tax profit of €167m (£130m) and the £9bn business is set to enter the FTSE 100 index of Britain’s biggest listed companies this week after increasing its size by merging with rival Betfair. The company said: “The historical failings outlined in this report were clearly unacceptable. Paddy Power has since significantly strengthened its internal procedures and staff have been retrained to ensure these procedures are implemented effectively. Paddy Power Betfair takes its responsibilities extremely seriously and we have cooperated fully with the Gambling Commission at every stage of this process.”

But Labour MP Caroline Harris said the case was an example of a “national problem facing society” adding: “This case highlights how sections of the gambling industry appear to be virtually out of control.”

The Campaign for Fairer Gambling (CFG), said the case was evidence that some senior staff in the industry were not serious about reducing problem gambling.

“It’s happening again and again and it’s not operational staff, they’re the ones reporting it,” said spokesman Matt Zarb-Cousin. “It’s the guys at the top overriding these concerns for commercial reasons. They’re just turning a blind eye to this.”

He added that the government should launch a review into its decision to reject calls for maximum stakes on FOBTs to be dramatically reduced. The Campaign for Fairer Gambling has called for the maximum stake be cut from £100 to £2, but the government rejected the suggestion in July 2015.

The Gambling Commission also detailed two cases in which Paddy Power failed to apply money laundering controls designed to stop people using betting terminals to conceal the proceeds of crime. Criminals can use games such as roulette to launder money at a small cost, gambling experts said. For instance, someone with £100 in cash could place £48 on black, £48 on red and £2 on green, or 0. The maximum they could lose would be £4, at which point they could ask a bookmaker to put the remaining £96 on their debit card.

The money would then appear as a legitimate payment from a bookmaker, hiding the fact that it could have been cash from a criminal enterprise. The Gambling Commission said that in August 2014, a shop manager suspected that Customer B, a longstanding user of Paddy Power shops, was using gambling facilities to launder Scottish bank notes.

The manager related their suspicions to more senior members of staff on four occasions over six months. But senior staff “repeatedly overruled” the shop manager, saying that as the notes were British currency and were not stained or counterfeit, it was unlikely that the money was being laundered.

None of the suspicions were reported to the company’s money laundering reporting officer. Paddy Power only barred the customer after police raised fears that Scottish banknotes that were the proceeds of crime were being laundered in London.

Subsequent checks revealed the customer could not validate ownership of a business she claimed to belong to her. The company initially told the Gambling Commission it had followed its money laundering policy but later admitted it had not dealt with its staff members’ suspicions properly.

In a separate incident, police warned Paddy Power that Mark Cooney, who had pleaded guilty to stealing more than £250,000 from two banks where he worked, was a frequent customer of the bookmaker. Paddy Power “made no direct inquires” about how Cooney, who was eventually sentenced to 28 months in prison, had obtained the funds he used for gambling.
 
Tried a few different drugs, never got addicted. Got drunk plenty of times, never got addicted, nowadays don't drink at all. But online gambling did suck me in a bit, and the most dangerous thing is when you win imo, coz it encourages you to bet more, which you then lose...and then you wanna win back what you've lost, plus the previous 'winnings'...yeah. A few years ago now and I didn't have responsibilities, but it cost me a few grand. Numbers on the screen just seems like a game.

For me, the psychology of it is that winning extra isn't the buzz, it's having your b0llocks on the line and NOT LOSING them - the relief is the buzz. Winning just enables you to bet more. So you are never gonna win enough, you keep betting and you lose long-term.

I'm not one for banning things, I think people should be free to choose - but I do think gambling advertising should go back to how it used to be, i.e. non existent.
 
I have a good friend who works in a high position for a major bookies and he has told me more then once that their opinions of those who bet a lot ( of times) is one of being mugs.
 
These are as addictive as the paper suggests. Unless you can walk away when you win and only bet small amounts when on a losing streak. This clearly never happens.
I even did a market research group on this(they pay you and put on a nice spread too) to air your views.
All the bookies were interested in was the layout of their screens and how they can make them more user friendly and attractive. i.e what would improve and make the gambling experience more attractive

Anyway, I'm all for free choice and I don't think they reduce the current maximum stake per spin of £100 to the proposed £2. We should all think for ourselves.
 
If you play long term, you will definitely lose. It's a computer, set to favour the supplier (obviously, they pay for all the equipment, premises, rates, staff etc).

Surely any sane person knows this, and the rest are just waiting for Lord Darwin to smite them, with all due respect dza.
 
yeah but you could win.Its a mugs game .Its never been easier to gamble and i am guessing the misery its causing is at an all time high.Sooner or later the ads,and apps will be regulated.I don't think it can continue like this.Its always the people that can least afford to lose that get suckered in.My name is Ray Winston and i gamble responsibly. Yuck Yuck Yuck.How is any gambling responsible.
 
I'm a manager for a major player on the high street and also addicted to these. Not in a way that I lose hundreds or thousands but addicted as in I have to play them every day. I wish I didn't. Could write a 1 million word essay on this but won't right now!
 
here's the thing about gambling, people love doing it and will always find ways to lose their money, you take those machines out of the betting shops, people will just go to casinos or 'amusements arcades' to get their kick, I remember coming back from sandown races many a time and a couple of irish blokes would set up the 3 card monte on the edge of the racetrack(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte) and it was amazing how people would fall for this and just give up their dough so easily, a fool and his money are easily parted.
 
here's the thing about gambling, people love doing it and will always find ways to lose their money, you take those machines out of the betting shops, people will just go to casinos or 'amusements arcades' to get their kick, I remember coming back from sandown races many a time and a couple of irish blokes would set up the 3 card monte on the edge of the racetrack(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-card_Monte) and it was amazing how people would fall for this and just give up their dough so easily, a fool and his money are easily parted.
Not really, some may but the majority either won't or will never have tried them if they were not so accessible.

Why do you think that the bookies lobby so hard rather than simply set up a casino.

Many people will use these that have no interest in betting on the horses etc.
 
Not really, some may but the majority either won't or will never have tried them if they were not so accessible.

Why do you think that the bookies lobby so hard rather than simply set up a casino.

Many people will use these that have no interest in betting on the horses etc.
If they have no interest in betting why they in a bookies?
 
I'm a manager for a major player on the high street and also addicted to these. Not in a way that I lose hundreds or thousands but addicted as in I have to play them every day. I wish I didn't. Could write a 1 million word essay on this but won't right now!
It's the flashing lights isn't it? The pretty, pretty lights. Why not give me your cash, I'll give you a torch and 80% of your cash back in a year's time
 
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