Fans last night

[Craig_J]

Think it was pretty cool myself. I'm moving to Dortmund.

I agree, and the Bundesliga has a brilliant atmosphere. If I ever visit Germany would love to take in a Dortmund Bundesliga game in the terraces.

 

[scaramanga]

Megaphones are lame, no question about that.

Having a designated area for those that want to sing would be a positive move for both atmosphere and the fans that want to sing, but are stuck with the grumpy moaners.

We don't need a designated area - there's already the Park Lane and the Shelf. The problem is that there's not enough people who want to sing.

 

[7percent]

The problem is that there's not enough people who want to sing.

There is, they're just scattered all over the stadium and would much rather be sat together in the same few blocks.

 

[scaramanga]

There is, they're just scattered all over the stadium and would much rather be sat together in the same few blocks.

I don't think that's true. There's still only a block or so of the 1882 lot - people know who they are, they know where they are. If they wanted to join them they would.

 

[Daisuk]

I can't believe the club doesn't do more to make the 1882-movement a regular on our league games as well. You could almost see how it affected our players yesterday.

 

[Jordinho]

I don't think that's true. There's still only a block or so of the 1882 lot - people know who they are, they know where they are. If they wanted to join them they would.

For league games they can't, as some will be season ticket holders sat in other stands and their usual block will be occupied by others. It requires an active effort from the club to make it a more permanent fixture and only then can people seek them out.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Could do with a block of them in each stand (well, not the West, no point). I reckon there's a decent amount of people who'll happily join in the chants, but aren't going to do it if they're on their own in their section, just need a little encouragement. In the end no one leads the way, so no one does it. Critical mass sort of thing.

I hope, should the new stadium ever happen, the club put some serious thought into this. It's a shame we won't get safe standing tbh.

 

[Daisuk]

Could do with a block of them in each stand (well, not the West, no point). I reckon there's a decent amount of people who'll happily join in the chants, but aren't going to do it if they're on their own in their section, just need a little encouragement. In the end no one leads the way, so no one does it. Critical mass sort of thing.

I hope, should the new stadium ever happen, the club put some serious thought into this. It's a shame we won't get safe standing tbh.

Absolutely this. I'm always up for singing whenever I'm over, but if I'm sat somewhere quiet, I'm not one to start the singing. The new stadium would seem like the perfect opportunity to get this kind of thing right from the start.

 

[Aldo]

+1

Pretty much the reason I didn't go.

My local non league side is Sutton United in the Vanaranma Conference South
Admission is £12, for which you can see Sutton play the likes of Concord Rangers and Burgess Hill Town.
That's pretty standard pricing at that level.

In that context, £25 quid to see Tottenham in a European fixture at WHL seems decent enough value to me.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think a lot of it has to do with the football that is put out on show, under avb we were awful playing the ugliest football in this clubs history and I saw us get relegated. Now we are back to playing that thing called football again so the fans make some noise again.

I shall be at the lane next Wednesday for only my second game of the season, I am in the West stand where I shall applaud them onto the pitch and then when we score. I have a horrible feeling we will lose the match as it is against Brighton who I have two friends as season ticket holders and know people working behind the scenes including someone who is part of the coaching staff there now, so I shall be ribbed endlessly if we lose.

Combine that with the fact that it is my 50th birthday that day and the only previous time I saw spurs win on my birthday was in 90/91 when gazza scored a hatrick against Derby, every other time I have watched us on the 29th of October we have lost, you have been warned.

 

[r-u-s-x]

The 1882 being artificial is a bit of a crap point - With no allocated place those who wanted to sing etc could get there early and get to the noisy places, it was self regulating as those who were not too bothered would move away. Also there would be groups of 30+ from one pub etc who would all go in together - 1882 is no different except you need to organise a place as you cant just turn up anymore.

No one is organising fun, people want to go there as they want to have the atmosphere - going to the game is for the atmosphere if I want to watch the game I will watch it on TV

Edit- as far as I can tell it isnt a case of " if you join 1882 you have to sing this / do that" it is "If you want to be loud and think the atmosphere is more important than the football why not come to block X where there will be others who think the same"

 

[7percent]

I don't think that's true. There's still only a block or so of the 1882 lot - people know who they are, they know where they are. If they wanted to join them they would.

They only do cup games though, which means they pretty much only do weeknights.. A similar thing for a NLD for example would be a bigger affair.

Plus, I don't think all fans know about it. I had no idea 1882 were doing something last night until this thread was created.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

I get what Scara means about the cringe factor, in the grand scheme of it, I'm pleased that they may increase the noise a little, but to me, it all feels a little bit "Japanese businesman" dancing on the tables, because his boss did.

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

If people want to know about 1882 events they should visit thefighting**** website.

Personally I love them and have done many of their matches.

I stopped listening to Scara's opinion when he was the biggest advocate on GG of Spurs moving to Stratford because Tottenham is 'a bit scary'

Enough said.

 

[DTA]

First game I have been to in a couple of years, and it have to say I thought the atmosphere was dead apart from 1882, without them it would have been an embarrassment. Can't see why anybody would have an issue with them or what they are trying to do.

It was a good match (ish) but the atmosphere and the empty seats actually left me a bit sad, it wasn't like this previously, what the **** happened? Without 1882 I would have actually left the match on a bit of a downer, which is rediculous considering we won 5-1. I wanted to sing, and I tried on a couple of occasions but no one around me or at least very very few were, and I guess I wasn't brave enough to do it anyway. But the couple of occasions when a few did join were all started by the so called 'glee club' so why not give them credit, give them our support. Work out ways where we can make the atmosphere better not **** on the parade of those that are trying.

F uc k it I say we set up are own 'GG glee club' for the next Europa game and sit in one of the other stands so the atmosphere is not just coming from one end, who is with me?

 

[jimmyb]

But it will still just be 1,000 fans singing. Not a noisy stadium by any stretch of the imagination.

Now, give 10,000 fans good reason to sing and then you've got an atmosphere to be proud of.

1000 people singing is still a 1000% improvement on no people singing.

Of course the volume isn't all encompassing, as it can be during those incredibly rare, brief moments when the whole stadium is singing in unison. But it is still far, far better than nothing. And nothing (other than moaning and abuse of our players) is what we get from the fans for pretty much the entirety of every non 1882 game.

Furthermore, having just 1000 people singing throughout the game will also have the effect of encouraging others to join in - and to do so more frequently. The snowball effect.

And yes, of course we all want the team to play magnificent football, thereby giving us a "good reason to sing". That's stating the obvious. But, as someone who goes to every game, I can tell you that it won't make a blind bit of difference to the majority of fans who now constitute our crowd. They'll just stop moaning and booing for a while. In fact, quite the opposite of your claim, it was soon after we became a decent team that the atmosphere turned to ****.

You honestly don't see anything silly about a singing club for grown men? It's like package holidays - they're not crap because of what they are or do, they're just crap because they're organised in advance and try to cajole a group of independently minded adults to all do the same thing.

It's not a "singing club for grown men". It's not a club at all. Stop with this silly, little fabrication. Your resort to it only exposes the weakness of your risible stance. 1882 is simply an area of the stadium reserved for any fan who wants to sing and to have others around him / her who are like minded - just like the standing terraces that used to be such areas..................or were they "artificial" too?

It's really not rocket science, fella. No one is being cajoled into anything. It's just people exercising their free will. So why are you getting your knickers in such a twist about it?

 

[jimmyb]

artificial
adjective
1. made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, especially as a copy of something natural.

As in, creating a group of people to sing like it used to be in the Park Lane when it was natural.

Oh, well, in that case, as soon as two or more people sing the same words to the same tune, it's "artificial". So we shouldn't do it, right? Selling tickets in advance for specific seats in the stadium is "artificial". Having police and stewards to manage crowd control and safety is "artificial". Organising for a referee, linesmen and fourth official to be present is "artificial". Having a competitive league or cup format is "artificial". Hell, even having rules of the game is artificial......

Honestly, have you any idea how ridiculous your argument sounds?

 

[jimmyb]

If those people end up together, great - the atmosphere will improve.

Creating a club for singing is just ridiculous.

But that's precisely the point. These people will never "end up together" unless the club enables it by reserving an area of the stadium for them. That's the sad reality of modern all seater stadia populated mostly by middle aged or older people who can no longer be bothered (if they ever were) to sing at all - let alone throughout the game and regardless of the performance. Those who want to sing are too thinly spread around the ground to be able to generate sufficient or consistent noise. They soon give up because their efforts are wasted and unappreciated by the mutes around them.

 

[jimmyb]

I think the best thing we could do is have the club offer all season ticket holders the opportunity to choose their part of the ground from scratch.

I suspect there's a lot of people in the PL who would like to be elsewhere and quite a few season ticket holders that would like to be in the PL. Should give us an idea of who wants to be in the noisier parts of the ground without having to shame ourselves with a singing club.

But to do that, as sensible as it is, would be artificial.....

......according to your logic.

In all seriousness, 1882 really isn't much different to what you suggest. So it seems that you're making a big fuss about something you don't actually disagree with - just something that you don't (or refuse to) understand.

 

[jimmyb]

One last point- I think the 'artificial' argument is a bit flawed.

I go to rock concerts and there's different types of fans at rock concerts. There are the ones who mosh, and jump around, the ones who want to stand relatively still and take it in and those who spend most of the time at the bar. I'm not going to criticise the other fans, but I want to jump around and mosh etc.

So at the rock concert I go right to the middle of the front and jump around and get a bit crushed. The guys who don't want to go in the mosh pit stand a bit further back or to the sides, and the guys who want to go to the bar ...go to the bar.

My point is- we all want to enjoy ourselves in different ways so we all go the areas that allow us to enjoy ourselves in that way. It is far from artificial.

Now, I've gone to concerts before where all we could get were seating tickets, I looked down at the mosh pit area with envy- I want to be down there joining in with the mosh. In the seating area I do not mosh and jump around because the other fans have not given me implicit permission to do so. I do not want to negatively impact their evening out because I have no right to and because, like me, they have paid decent money to attend.

So when I go to WHL I have that same feeling of envy looking down at the Park Lane as I do looking down at a mosh pit. Just because I'm not singing doesn't mean I don't want to. It means I have respect for the fans sitting around me. In a perfect world I could push my way through the crowd to the park lane and everybody would find their place. It doesn't work like that though, we have designated seats in designated blocks in designated stands and tickets in the Park Lane are the first to sell out.

It's not artificial, it's perfectly natural. The really depressing thing is that I've found my mosh pit. It's called the Bricklayers. It's tiny and it's packed and the atmosphere is awesome and I can stand up and drink beer and everyone around me is giving me that implicit permission to act like I want to because they're all doing the same thing as me. I would love to go to more games and find a good atmosphere, but from experience I am more likely to see spurs fans turn on each other.

Just because:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74AxCqOTvg

Excellent post.

And that Ted Talk clip is superb! Cheers for that.