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As far as i'm aware the medical team doesn't include any surgeons or an operating theatre. That would require a hospital and the player would get advice from the surgeon of whether an operation was necessary. The decision would be down to the player not the club whether they go through with it.

Your gp would have no say whether you had surgery or not.
 
Lilbaz said:
As far as i'm aware the medical team doesn't include any surgeons or an operating theatre. That would require a hospital and the player would get advice from the surgeon of whether an operation was necessary. The decision would be down to the player not the club whether they go through with it.

Your gp would have no say whether you had surgery or not.
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They would explore all options and then refer the player to or discuss with surgeons/consultants specialising in that particular type of injury. Just like your GP would explore options and then send on if more specialist treatment is required.
Consultants generally look at non-surgical solutions first. There is always a risk when going under the knife even for minor operations.
 
DubSpur said:
They would explore all options and then refer the player to or discuss with surgeons/consultants specialising in that particular type of injury. Just like your GP would explore options and then send on if more specialist treatment is required.
Consultants generally look at non-surgical solutions first. There is always a risk when going under the knife even for minor operations.
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Yes but they'll still inform the person of all of their options. They wouldn't give them bad advice on purpose as that would risk both their licence and being sued. Which is what metalgear is suggesting happened.
 
Surgery is a gamble, what works for one person may not be so successful for an other, I've had both hips replaced and one was far more succesful than the other, possibly because they were 10 years apart.
 
Lilbaz said:
Yes but they'll still inform the person of all of their options. They wouldn't give them bad advice on purpose as that would risk both their licence and being sued. Which is what metalgear is suggesting happened.
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Of course they'd give bad advice, it's Levy giving it and then he's forcing them to play :p
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Jeez. Surgery always is the last choice once the medical professionals (yes professionals) have assessed and then exhausted all reasonable options. A professional footballer should not be 'demanding surgery', he should stay in his lane.
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Nope. Have you heard Shaggy talk about the misdiagnosis and mismanagement of his groin injury?
Sometimes players need to go direct to the professionals who know best and take responsibility.

There are loads of players who have waited 8 weeks to try rest/exercises and eventually realise they needed surgery all along.
 
Bullet said:
Nope. Have you heard Shaggy talk about the misdiagnosis and mismanagement of his groin injury?
Sometimes players need to go direct to the professionals who know best and take responsibility.

There are loads of players who have waited 8 weeks to try rest/exercises and eventually realise they needed surgery all along.
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You really think things haven't moved on since Shaggy???
 
Bullet said:
Strawman. I didn't say that. There is an inbetween.
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So Shaggy's injury and experience has no bearing on current practices.

Bullet said:
There are loads of players who have waited 8 weeks to try rest/exercises and eventually realise they needed surgery all along.
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Yup, just like for the non-professional athlete the alternatives they try in order to avoid surgery don't always work and surgery is required.
I'd trust the approach taken by well qualified medical professionals and their judgement than unqualified football fans on a forum questioning them.
 
Also what's the story with Winks? Never fully recovered from that injury where he rolled his ankle over a few water bottles pitchside. Then unfit for the duration of his loan. He's a decent talent but going to fade to nothingness if he doesn't get going.
 
Bullet said:
Nope. Have you heard Shaggy talk about the misdiagnosis and mismanagement of his groin injury?
Sometimes players need to go direct to the professionals who know best and take responsibility.

There are loads of players who have waited 8 weeks to try rest/exercises and eventually realise they needed surgery all along.
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Yes. And that is the correct way to proceed.
There are loads of players (to use your terminology) who have waited 8 weeks with conservative treatment and recovered and avoided the need to have surgery.

I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting. The procedure is incorrect. The medical staff not up to scratch?. We puppet the professionals to say what we want?

I'm sure that throughout the injury analysis and treatment phase, more than just our payroll medical team are available for input. We are obviously not beholden to the NHS and diagnostic tools are on tap for us, and I'd imagine that we have some well formed connections with consultants and specialists given we are a rich club, looking to spend whatever to keep our most prized assets ticking.

If a player went against the club and went direct to book surgery and it went wrong, where does that leave him?
 
metalgear said:
Also what's the story with Winks? Never fully recovered from that injury where he rolled his ankle over a few water bottles pitchside. Then unfit for the duration of his loan. He's a decent talent but going to fade to nothingness if he doesn't get going.
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Yes. I don't think he's kicked a ball for Sampdoria. Whether the injury he's turned up with is the same troublesome ankle he's always had I'm not sure?
 
Feel really sorry for Winks, thought this would be a great loan move for him, regular games in a slower paced league, would have suited him down to the ground. He’s not been in any match day squads yet though, injured on arrival.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
Yes. And that is the correct way to proceed.
There are loads of players (to use your terminology) who have waited 8 weeks with conservative treatment and recovered and avoided the need to have surgery.

I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting. The procedure is incorrect. The medical staff not up to scratch?. We puppet the professionals to say what we want?

I'm sure that throughout the injury analysis and treatment phase, more than just our payroll medical team are available for input. We are obviously not beholden to the NHS and diagnostic tools are on tap for us, and I'd imagine that we have some well formed connections with consultants and specialists given we are a rich club, looking to spend whatever to keep our most prized assets ticking.

If a player went against the club and went direct to book surgery and it went wrong, where does that leave him?
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Managers put pressure on players to avoid surgery. They want players to grit their teeth and plough on with strains and niggles.
All players have strains and niggles, but when something is serious and needs surgery, managers will pressure the player to just keep playing and having injections.
You know this.
You've seen it with Mourinho and Conte, they don't want to accept advice from our medical staff, they put pressure on to keep the players playing. They have a very short term view. The medical staff have a long term view. The players are sometimes not the brightest.
 
Bullet said:
Managers put pressure on players to avoid surgery. They want players to grit their teeth and plough on with strains and niggles.
All players have strains and niggles, but when something is serious and needs surgery, managers will pressure the player to just keep playing and having injections.
You know this.
You've seen it with Mourinho and Conte, they don't want to accept advice from our medical staff, they put pressure on to keep the players playing. They have a very short term view. The medical staff have a long term view. The players are sometimes not the brightest.
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When with conte? If you are talking of skipp then surgery isn't usually recomended for his type of injury.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides... is a painful,direction, kicking, or pivoting.
 
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